DEI revisited... (actual tech discussion)

tooslow

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Ok, now that we've all laughed hard at the idiot who wanted to inject exhaust into his intake, lets more past the humor and discus the one thing the idiot had going for him.

All-be-it an idiot idea, one of the concepts to "direct exhaust injection"... (ok, i still laugh when i think about it.) ... anyways, the concept actually works and has been used for years in industrial settings. Of course the exhausts isn't "injected" into the engine, but is used to "directly" pressurize the intake charge.

It is called pulse wave turbo charging, feel free to google it to get up to par.

the turbo charger itself is merely a hollow "cell" with 4 openings. the openings are for:

-intake air in
-intake air out
-exhaust gas in
-exhausts gas out

each opening has a 'door' which opens and shuts based on engine timing. gear sets and timing equipment keep the right gases flowing through the cell at the right times.

I'll briefly explain the process.

First, both the intake in and out doors open and engine vacuum draws air into and through the cell. Once the cell is filled with "clean" air, the "intake in" door snaps shut and the "exhaust gas in" door opens. At this point, the "intake out" and "exhaust in" are both open and exhaust fills the cell as the clean air leaves it. Because of the heat and pressure from the impeding exhaust gases the "clean" air is forced out of the cell and is effectively pressurized on its way into the engine. Once all of the "clean" intake air leaves the cell pressurized the "intake air out" door snaps shut, the "exhaust gas in" door snaps shut, while the "exhaust gas out" door opens and the "intake air in" door opens. At this point, exhaust gases are leaving the cell into the exhaust system as the incoming intake charge follows behind forcing the out the exhaust and filling the cell with more clean air. At this point in time the cycle repeats itself. Different cells and applications repeat the cycle as little as once per RPM, or as many as deemed fit.

A huge upside to this type of forced induction is the efficiency. Unlike belt driven superchargers or exhaust turbines the pulse wave turbo has almost 0 parasitic affects on the engine. Aside from the small timing sets there is no extra stress on the rotating assembly and no extra back pressure applied to the pistons. They actually improve actual engine efficiency as well as provide boost because of the scavenging effect the cell operates under.

And no, exhausts is not consumed by the engine as in DEI (still laughing) but, the idiot was on to something. he was just to stupid to realize cramming exhausts gases into the engine is not a smart thing to do.

One more funny thought, all the while he was getting flamed i was laughing at more than just him. although not idiots like he was (i forgot the guys name, hence why i call him "he") 95% of the people flaming him were ignorant to the fact that his concept has been applied to forced induction for many many years.

DEI - stupid
Pulse wave turbos- intake charges directly pressurized by exhaust casses.
 

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hmm... never heard of it... but very good explantion.

sounds like it probably works pretty good for its purpose, but i dont see it producing the kind of power we see out of big turbo's
 
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actually, they can produce very large amounts of boost if the engine and cell is sized right.

the reason you don't see it in the auto world is packaging. the cells tend to be on the large size.

they work great for low rpm usage, as they don't "spool" or displace air based on RPM.

if you research green peace, they have been trying to get auto companies and more industries to adopt this for years now. but who ever listens to green peace?
 

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I was waching horsepower TV and they were talking about some redneck using that on his Pontiac Fiero
 

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It is very interesting. But it sounds like a underhood disaster to make room for, hence the use on big industrial engines and not cars.
 

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