power adder question

zinsavage123

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I was wondering from you guys if a supercharger or a turbo kit will still be very beneficial on hp gains on my 96. I'm asking this because I wanted to do the splitport swap but if the supercharger or turbo will still give me alot of hp on my stock singleport heads I'll stay singleport to avoid all the extra money to do splitport swap plus a power adder. What do you guys think? Also will my stock internals and tranny be ok? I got 4.10's as well I hear they are too much for a power adder, can they not be used with them or something cause I want to keep the 4.10's if possible?
 

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Ok... first off stay the FREAK AWAY FROM THE FREAKING SPLIT PORT SWAP. Ok... good. Now just port and polish your single port intakes, and that will make up for your power loss. Now, when you've gotten your intakes ported and polished, go with a power adder. You will not even need a split port swap once you have the power adder... You can run 12's with less than 300hp on the V6. So, you should be good.

I really suggest you build your engine for the task of forced induction FIRST.
 

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you can pick up a v6 eaton s/c for about 600 bucks (used of course) but still that price is CHEAP!
 

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i would recommend building your motor b4 doin a p/a. However you could run a p/a with a stock bottom end. Just keep the boost 8-10lbs. You should get some pretty good gains with that. The gains would be better if you had ported heads and intakes tho.
www.supersixmotorsports.com/
Tom Y has alot of great products and stands by his work. I have his stage 2+ heads, stage 3 intakes, mild cam, forged bottom. With a stock motor and turbo you will probably pick up 10-13 hp per lb of boost. My setup pick up 17 hp/lb of boost.
The stock heads and intakes just dont flow enough to provide the efficiency that is needed.
Your tranny should also be good for a low boost application.
 

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just build the same thing as me... p & P heads and lower intake, 212/218 cam, 1.7 RRs, Eaton m90 on 10lbs, 4.10s, t-5 swap,
 

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Mr.Bolt-on said:
Ok... first off stay the FREAK AWAY FROM THE FREAKING SPLIT PORT SWAP. Ok... good. Now just port and polish your single port intakes, and that will make up for your power loss. Now, when you've gotten your intakes ported and polished, go with a power adder. You will not even need a split port swap once you have the power adder... You can run 12's with less than 300hp on the V6. So, you should be good.

I really suggest you build your engine for the task of forced induction FIRST.

Why would you suggest he stay away from the split port swap?
 

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i dont know why. I have also tossed up the idea of goin split port! They would be ported of course. Im just looking for more power!!! I want to hit tens!
 

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The reason I state to stay away from the split port swap, is because quite frankly it's not needed if your going forced induction. You'll only be down 20hp, if your intakes are ported. Besides, it won't matter with a built engine with turbo's, or a supercharger. The fastest V6 mustang I think is a single turbo, single port 4.3 stroker that runs 9's.

All the new edge owners like to give single port V6's a bad rap (and for good reason)... buuutttt if you've got the money to build a V6 up right, then the split port swap really doesn't matter at all. It's only 40 horsepower, besides with the built motor you'll be making at least 300 more ponies... with a power adder.

IF you were going N/A... I'd do the split port swap, because your not using a power adder for a crutch. Anyways, if a supercharged single port mustang can get into the 12's with less than 300 horsepower ( thats with a stock motor/gears/headers/supercharger), just imagine what 400 horsepower would do.
 

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Well i see what you are saying and am very impartial to your theories. If you have a full ported heads, one single port one split port. The split port will flow more regardless. The less restriction you have with your intakes and heads the more power you are gonna gain with a turbo/sc. A split port swap is recommended as a good, fairly inexpensive start! If he has the money to throw around then just add a p/a and call it a day. If he wants to maximize the potential of the car a good ported split port setup will help him in the long run. I have ssms ported single port heads and love them. However Im even considering goin with a split port setup(ported of course). Better flowing head design!!!!!
As of right now the fastest v6 is a 95 single port. Its a 4.2l motor with a 72mm turbo and pushing 30lbs of boost.
I know someone that is coming on his a$$ very quickly with a split port setup!
 

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http://sn95forums.com/index.php/topic,37894.0.html
check out the vid.
This is my fathers first nite in the car!!! His previous best with any car was 12.94. Its gonna take a lil getting used to the jump in speed. 2.5 seconds is a big jump. Goin to the dyno tomorrow with the car to tune with the msd box. That vid was with the stock ignition. If you listen carefully you can hear my dads car missing on the top end. Thus the addition of the msd.
 

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Yes, I'm fully aware that the split port is the better design, but it also suprises me that someone, somewhere hasn't already run 9's with the split port. I guess I'm just a little biased towards the puny single port, but thats just me.
 

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Oh i like my single port too. Im not ready to up the boost on my car yet so i might try whatever i can. My father is gonna be in the nines very soon. It takes alot of money to get a 6 into the nines!!!!!!
 

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Dispite what others have said, do the split port swap, the heads and intakes are much better flowing over your single port (owned both a split and single port V6 and the split is far superior).

Now if you want to go FI, get the split port kit (I'd get a stage 2+ from SSM), then just get the needed parts from autozone or something to complete the swap (coil pack, wires, plugs, handful of other things).

Now when you're ready to do the S/C there's a couple of ways you can go, but one way growing in popularity with 99-04 sixers is putting on the M-112 supercharger from the 03/04 Cobra. SSM also sells the adaptor plate needed to put the M-112 on a sixer.

Now, IMO, there are much better S/Cs than the M-112. The M-112 is a roots blower, now it's one of the newest roots blowers, but still suffers the same problems as older models, they can get heat soaked (meaning loss of power after consistant boost), and they're not as effecient at making power as a twin screw or centrifugal. The advantage of a roots supercharger (and a twin screw which is a much more efficient supercharger, not sure if you can make a Kenne Bell or Whipple work on a V6, even with the bracket) over a centrifugal is that they make power very early on, and keep that power going, they don't need time to "boost" up. Downside is, they do tend to lag out a little bit after 3rd gear where as the centrifugals hold strong.

So at this point it's really up to you. personally, I'd do the stage 2+ split port swap, then in a year or two, do the M-112 eaton and do a pulley swap to get more boost. Vortech and Procharger are nice, but expensive (compared to the used M-112s), and are quite hard to find used for a sixer.
 

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J is about to be in the 9s with his splitport 3900lb VERT. Running almost half the boost as matts 9 sec singleport and alot more weight ;)
 

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