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[Musturd]

How did I know ? I was waiting for ur coyote nonsense to come in. I have no problem having reliable power outta pushrod cars. This cars won't see alot of street time anyways that's what my fox is for. The car is for sure staying with a pushrod. With the new k member required, wiring , blower I'm sure it would cost a substantial amount more then what I plan on.

 

[Paul]

Coyote nonsense. lulz.

With the new k member required, wiring , blower I'm sure it would cost a substantial amount more then what I plan on.

This is why you're clueless.

By the time you finish machining that Dart block, you'll be into it for almost four grand. Bore, hone, align hone, square, deck, lifter bores, balancing, blah blah blah. Then tons more money just to buy the parts to put inside the thing.

But what do I know? I've done it before.

Paul.

 

[MustangChris]

Paul, Aren't you the pushrod guru ? ??? since when are you pushing for OHC engines????

since when is this something you're suggesting? lol:

did i miss something? did you fall down? should i call the amberlamps? ...

 

[Paul]

I am the pushrod guru. I've had lots of them. I'm not an advocate for crappy POS 4.6 motors, but I am any advocate for the new 5.0. It makes so much power so easily it's ridiculous. The crate motors are only like six grand, then tack on a few grand more to run everything and you have a perfectly reliable 100% streetable 412 hp motor. It's a no brainer. Making that much power in a pushrod motor costs a lot of money, and ends up with a nasty angry motor that won't be near as reliable. Building motors costs lots of money.

An LS1 would also be a less expensive option than the 302.

If I ever change motors in my notch, it will be to a coyote motor.

Paul.

 

[MustangChris]

I see....

even with the block on the stand, a shop full of tools and experience, and a car ready to receive the pushrod set-up?

i didnt realize the crate cyots. were so cheep. damn.

 

[Musturd]

I still prefer my way. I don't want no new coyote in my car. My 347 in my fox is reliable . I'm sure ill whip up a great reliable combo for around 10k which isn't bad imo

 

[mvpperformance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrL6ebUrDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player. This is that procharger I was telling you about.

 

[hondarocks61]

build the dart!

 

[hondarocks61]

And boost! lots of boost!

 

[Musturd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPrL6ebUrDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player. This is that procharger I was telling you about.

That is pretty damn cool I bet it's big money and who knows if they will even be available for pushrod cars. I want a f1x

 

[95opal]

Sell the Dart block and buy a Coyote motor with a Kenne Bell. Then you'll have daily drivability and 600 rwhp for the same price.

Paul.

Paul Im not sure where you getting prices for the coyote swap but the last guy I spoke to about it told me between $11-$12k in parts alone. That dosent include the $4k plus for the KB. Now Im no math major but my dart short block cost me $5k plus a $1500 blower. Now unless Im missing something that dont add up to $11k. IDK

 

[mvpperformance]

You will be able to get them for pushrods I'm sure, or guys like me will be machining brackets so you can mount them on pushrods. Call Afr about their new heads because they don't even have them on their website yet. Just ask about the new sbf heads they had at SEMA.

 

[Musturd]

Paul Im not sure where you getting prices for the coyote swap but the last guy I spoke to about it told me between $11-$12k in parts alone. That dosent include the $4k plus for the KB. Now Im no math major but my dart short block cost me $5k plus a $1500 blower. Now unless Im missing something that dont add up to $11k. IDK

Yea I'm with you on that one opal. Ill have my shit done for cheap . Not near 11k

 

[Paul]

Paul Im not sure where you getting prices for the coyote swap but the last guy I spoke to about it told me between $11-$12k in parts alone. That dosent include the $4k plus for the KB. Now Im no math major but my dart short block cost me $5k plus a $1500 blower. Now unless Im missing something that dont add up to $11k. IDK

So a Dart shortblock is five grand. What about the heads? Intake? Cam? Throttle Body? Fuel rails? Fuel injectors? Headers? Fasteners? Oil Pan? Water Pump? Pulleys? Gaskets? Assembly? Was all that free?

Coyote Motor - $6119.95 http://www.summitracing.com/search/...12hp-32-valve-dohc-crate-engines?autoview=SKU

Controls Pack - $1439.95
Boss Alternator Kit - $279.95
Starter - $299.95

You'll need some other crap, but I don't know where you're coming up with twelve grand in parts. And a blower costs money, whether it's for a pushrod motor or a coyote.

Instead of going off of "what you've heard" - do 5 minutes of google searching.

Paul.

 

[95opal]

So a Dart shortblock is five grand. What about the heads? Intake? Cam? Throttle Body? Fuel rails? Fuel injectors? Headers? Fasteners? Oil Pan? Water Pump? Pulleys? Gaskets? Assembly? Was all that free?

Coyote Motor - $6119.95 http://www.summitracing.com/search/...12hp-32-valve-dohc-crate-engines?autoview=SKU

Controls Pack - $1439.95
Boss Alternator Kit - $279.95
Starter - $299.95

You'll need some other crap, but I don't know where you're coming up with twelve grand in parts. And a blower costs money, whether it's for a pushrod motor or a coyote.

Instead of going off of "what you've heard" - do 5 minutes of google searching.

Paul.

Paul put it this way, its not something I heard from so and so. It was a direct conversation I had with an editor from 5.0 who was one of the first to do the swaps when I was conemplating it. I see your list and from everything I know your way short on parts with what you have listed. Now I could care less about the swap as I have already made my decision based off of pure facts and a reputable freind whose done the swap and I can tell you this, you wont see a coyote in my bay when Im done but you might catch my taillights lol..J/K

 

[Musturd]

Alot of stuff I already have fuel rails, long tubes, injectors fuel systems done already, gotta intake manifolds already as well but will probably use a different one . Either way it will cost close to the same but I prefer using a pushrod

 

[Musturd]

So a Dart shortblock is five grand. What about the heads? Intake? Cam? Throttle Body? Fuel rails? Fuel injectors? Headers? Fasteners? Oil Pan? Water Pump? Pulleys? Gaskets? Assembly? Was all that free?

Coyote Motor - $6119.95 http://www.summitracing.com/search/...12hp-32-valve-dohc-crate-engines?autoview=SKU

Controls Pack - $1439.95
Boss Alternator Kit - $279.95
Starter - $299.95

You'll need some other crap, but I don't know where you're coming up with twelve grand in parts. And a blower costs money, whether it's for a pushrod motor or a coyote.

Instead of going off of "what you've heard" - do 5 minutes of google searching.

Paul.

Just right there is over 8k plus a new tubular k member so another 700-1k then a procharger 5k. Oh and a new hellhousing or tranny. Your so right Paul that would be the cheaper most efficient route. Wtf was I thinking ? If it was such a good idea it would have been my idea.

 

[Paul]

So you're going to spend ten grand on a motor and not have a tubular k-member? You're going to spend ten grand on a motor and not put a strong tranny behind it? Are Prochargers for pushrod motors free?

My point is this...

It's no cheaper to do a built pushrod motor. Plus, you get to sell off all your pushrod crap to pay for it. The accessory drive is not cheap, but what you add depends on what you want.

Paul.

 

[Paul]

Or hell, just put an LS1 in it and make big power for cheap.

Facts, not fiction.

Paul.

 

[Musturd]

I already have a tubular k member for a push rod. Setup I already have a great built tranny for a push rod setup. Yea I know the blower is going to cost money . But ur route will cost me a lot more