Engine swap

[Bluesn95]

JR, who the hell do you know to have seen those motors? I'm jealous.

 

[voidfinger]

post some pics lol I want to see one hahaha i know you probably can't though but durn i want one.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

JR, who the hell do you know to have seen those motors? I'm jealous.

A friend of mine makes fixtures for short run experimental motors and whatnot down at the Cleveland casting plant. Sometimes they'll do a run of like 5 blocks or whatever, and see how it goes down the line, then maybe chage a freeze plug hole so they can grab it differently or whatever.

Another friend of mine (although I talk to him alot less) is an engineer for a part's supplier in Mich, and they do alot of Ford work as well.

 

[1996mustangGT]

JR i love you..in a completely non homosexual kinda way...for the info :dancing6:

 

[voidfinger]

:rollinglaugh:

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The best part about the new motor, is that they designed it with big inches and growth in mind. When Mod motor's were designed, Ford had bet (and lost, again) that the big V8 was dead. Now they realize the truck market is there no matter what.

So what we can look forward to, is some major C.I. potnential and a dearth of swapable part's (like Chevy guy's have now)

 

[voidfinger]

wonder if its gonna be really hard to swap?

 

[Steven]

probably about the same difficulty as a 3v swap is into our cars.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

wonder if its gonna be really hard to swap?

Yes, it will have very advanced computer controls, and direct injection runs at like 150 psi.

 

[voidfinger]

wonder if its gonna be really hard to swap?

Yes, it will have very advanced computer controls, and direct injection runs at like 150 psi.

so it will probably be a no go huh.

 

[STR33TR]

msn money and all those wall street sites/pprs (hell even 5.0 mag!) are saying that the horsepower wars are a/b to come to an end. by 2020 (I think) the OEs will have to average 35mpg accross their entire ranges. It'll be tuff to do that if they're putting big blocks in more than a model or two. IF (that's a BIG IF) they make 'em I'd put $$ against them ever making it into a stang. MAYBE like a Shelby or something.

AS far as the direct injection Ford and mazda partnered in the development of the new 2.3 and 3.7 direct injection motors. These are already in several models from both companies -mazda has a turbo on the 2.3 DI in the CX7.

 

[AaRoN]

There's really no definitive date on that MPG standard yet.

But, I agree that the HP wars will be over soon. Cars (from the factory) are getting more and more powerful and can only get so powerful.

 

[voidfinger]

I don't know... I know that the motors have tricks that can get the mpg... like the new chevy motors that are 5.7's and get over 30 mpg. Cylinder on demand... great shit.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Next time you're in a junkyard, look for any 84 Caddy, any model....

 

[voidfinger]

why?

 

[Jrgunn5150]

You could just google V-8-6-4 I suppose, it's not a new idea.

 

[justinschmidt1]

I don't know... I know that the motors have tricks that can get the mpg... like the new chevy motors that are 5.7's and get over 30 mpg. Cylinder on demand... great shit.

+1 on that.

getting better gas mileage isnt all about making smaller, less powerful engines.

They just need to be more efficient, lightweight internals, lightweight cars, and im sure making a v8 run on 4 cylinders cruising on the highway would have a dramatic affect on gas mileage.

Isnt that direct injection crap supposed to increase gas mileage a couple mpg too?

I mean even now guys are claiming 25-28 mpg in some of these 4.6s

So running on 4 cylinders instead of 8 on the highway should bump it up a good amount right.

 

[voidfinger]

I know that I've seen up to 28 mpg when the car was newer. "on the highway for about 800 miles"

O yea I know what you mean now JR its just that back then they had a lot of problems with it gauding "i think" the cylinders.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The thing mostly ran on zero cylinders, lol. I remember when they were new, my grandma bought one. After it spent for time in the dealership than at home, GM finally swapped it for an 83 Caddy crate motor.

 

[STR33TR]

There's really no definitive date on that MPG standard yet.

Below is an article from MSN autos:
There's only one thing to say about a Corvette that can top 200 mph, or a Cadillac sedan that makes the muscle cars of the '60s seem like a bunch of wimps: Enjoy it while it lasts. This golden age of horsepower may be coming to an end, at least in the gas-guzzling manner to which we've become accustomed.

An initial stroll through the recent auto show in Detroit might convince you that nothing has changed. GM was touting the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, a 620-horsepower 200-mph monster that's simply the fastest production car in GM's history. Next door at the Cadillac display, the CTS-V sport sedan was flexing its 550-horsepower muscles.

Even squeaky-clean Toyota  ignoring recent environmental backlash over guzzlers such as its Tundra pickup  offered the 500-plus horsepower Lexus LF-A roadster. This Tokyo demon, heading to showrooms next year, should also break the 200-mph barrier.

These hard-drinking machines might convince you that automakers are still partying like it's 1999, when gas cost around $1.20 a gallon. But just under the Detroit show's surface, something else was brewing. And it wasn't high-octane unleaded.

New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye  at least those that rely solely on gasoline.

In Europe the government and greens are proposing carbon-dioxide targets so strict that, if passed, not a single gas-burning model on sale today  including hybrids like the Toyota Prius  would pass muster.

The situation recalls the end of the first muscle-car era, which left Boomers shedding tears for their beloved GTOs, Shelby Mustangs and Hemi 'Cudas. In the early '70s, the first-ever tailpipe standards were a critical step toward cleaning up smoggy cities, but they also helped strangle the muscle car. It took two decades and a serious dose of engineering Viagra before cars recovered their potency.

The unfortunate side effect is that the average car today slurps more gasoline than it did 20 years ago. Cars became vastly quicker and more powerful. And of course, Americans switched en masse to SUVs.

For anyone  including myself  with a need for speed, the longtime cliché is that they have gasoline in their veins. But a century's worth of shooting-up has put us where we are now, trying to kick a national addiction to oil.

As a result, the Motown show also featured enough green cars to stock a Sierra Club parking lot. On display was Toyota's hybrid A-BAT concept pickup and General Motors' latest hybrids, including a plug-in Saturn Vue SUV that's coming in 2010. Mercedes, VW and Honda hyped their high-mileage diesel cars that can even meet California's tough pollution rules.

Tellingly, the show also saw carmakers backing away from the thrilling-but-thirsty V8 engine that's as much a part of American culture as rock and roll. GM deep-sixed a $300 million project to develop a new V8, with Vice Chairman Bob Lutz saying that new fuel-economy rules directly sparked the move. Ford plans to drop V8s from several models, replacing them with turbocharged V6 and four-cylinder engines that go farther on a gallon.
If all that doesn't have you seeing the writing on the wall, you'd better schedule an eye exam. Still, if there's a difference between today's golden age of performance and the '60s original, it's the ability of technology to ride to the rescue.

At the Detroit show, I asked Lutz  the GM car czar who famously inspired the Dodge Viper while at Chrysler  whether this was the last hurrah for horsepower. And while Lutz has become a vocal supporter of hybrids, electric cars and alternative fuels, he said that cars like the Corvette would still find their niche. "At the height of the vegetarian craze, the grocery stores are still selling New York steaks," Lutz said.

Lutz's point was that some people will always find a way to go fast. But the future does look bleak for speed machines powered by gasoline. While it's too early to predict which fuels will be winners and losers, it's certain that there will be multiple players. Half the new cars sold in Europe run on clean diesel, and that impressive technology is finally on its way here.

Mercedes showed off a sumptuous diesel-hybrid S-Class sedan that delivers 44 mpg. Audi will almost certainly bring us a diesel version of its spectacular R8 sports car, combining 500 horsepower with a respectable 24 mpg.

Energy experts agree that the transition to alternative fuels will take decades. There will still be gas pumps 30 and 40 years from now. Car lovers will still be able to cruise their classic internal combustion machines, whether it's a '32 Ford Deuce Coupe, a '57 Chevy or today's hottest rides.

But the days of guzzling gas as quickly as you can hose it into your tank are over. Looking back 30 years from now, we'll know it was not only the right move, but the only move.