GT500 in the 8's

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Taken from SVTP:

Most people were wondering where we've been the past couple of weeks................ Well, here is your answer......!!

What are the limits of the factory engine? How about 1019 RWHP and 1016 RWTQ with a complete factory stock Shelby GT500 Production 5.4L 4V engine courtesy of Ford Motor Company.

This past weekend at Cecil County Dragway in Rising Sun, MD we finally put our 2007 Shelby GT500 in the 8's.

I will just let the video speak for itself....................

Please post your comments regarding the video in this thread!

Below is a link to download the video....

Evolution Performance, Inc. - First 2007 Shelby GT500 In The 8's Video! (Right-Click, Save Target As)

1019rwhp through an auto with the stock engine(fuel mods of course) and twin turbo setup. Not bad for such a heavy pig, I remember when the GT500 came out a lot of guys got on SVTP saying they had weak rods, looks like they had an awesome source of info. :rolleyes:
 

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ıʌɐɾ said:
IMO Still bad for a 5.4 TT

An 03 ANNI made about 920HP before it blew up.i dont know the exact numbers.

Im sure Hellion94 can tell us more about this 03

it blew up? i didn't know that... that sucks.
 

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Branman said:
What engine does the ford gt have in it?

same engine....

5.4 4v, supercharged

I was just up at Evo Perform...the car was sitting outside with 8.99 on the windshield I believe...lol
 

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2slo95fiveoh said:
ıʌɐɾ said:
IMO Still bad for a 5.4 TT

An 03 ANNI made about 920HP before it blew up.i dont know the exact numbers.

Im sure Hellion94 can tell us more about this 03

it blew up? i didn't know that... that sucks.


it sure did, i think it almost reach the 1000 HP,dont quote me on that.
 

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more than 1,000 rwhp in the twin turbo/blown cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c..._compound_boost_2003_mustang_cobra/index.html

according to the article, the turbos made 27 psi and there was a total of 44 with the addition of the blower. compare that to the twenty something from the turbos on the shelby with close numbers...

i didnt know the terminator blew up, must have been after this article was printed. insane cars/numbers either way. and they did say that the 03 engine was stock
 
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331 gt said:
more than 1,000 rwhp in the twin turbo/blown cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c..._compound_boost_2003_mustang_cobra/index.html

according to the article, the turbos made 27 psi and there was a total of 44 with the addition of the blower. compare that to the twenty something from the turbos on the shelby with close numbers...

i didnt know the terminator blew up, must have been after this article was printed. insane cars/numbers either way. and they did say that the 03 engine was stock
Exactly. Not real sure why Javi thinks thats bad though. :dunno: That Cobra from Hellion had massive fuel system upgrades, just like the GT500. Both completely stock internally.
 

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That is pretty damn sick for a stock engine. I wonder if the heads have been ported or anything, if not thats even more impressive.
 

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Passenger said:
331 gt said:
more than 1,000 rwhp in the twin turbo/blown cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c..._compound_boost_2003_mustang_cobra/index.html

according to the article, the turbos made 27 psi and there was a total of 44 with the addition of the blower. compare that to the twenty something from the turbos on the shelby with close numbers...

i didnt know the terminator blew up, must have been after this article was printed. insane cars/numbers either way. and they did say that the 03 engine was stock
Exactly. Not real sure why Javi thinks thats bad though. :dunno: That Cobra from Hellion had massive fuel system upgrades, just like the GT500. Both completely stock internally.



5.4 vs 4.6 ? hmmm

and the 4.6 made almost the same power. :rolleyes2:
 

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ıʌɐɾ said:
IMO Still bad for a 5.4 TT

An 03 ANNI made about 920HP before it blew up.i dont know the exact numbers.

Im sure Hellion94 can tell us more about this 03


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trpSMlo7pN8


The car never "Blew Up." I'm sitting looking at it right now, in perfect running condition.

After the runs in that video, it pressurized the coolant system, we think by slightly separating the layers of the multi-layered steel gasket, as none of them were blown. We disassembled the engine O-ringed the heads and block and have never had an issue since.

The car had slightly bent this rod though:

03CobraRod1.jpg


That exact piston and an identical replacement rod from Manley went in, so the engine would still be considered stock. This was after the car had made numerous 1,000+ hp pulls, and after a couple hundred miles of street driving.

As for the power we made, we have always been very quick to tell people that the compound boost setup will NOT make more PEAK power than the turbo's alone. Even if you read the article Galimi wrote, he states in there that the mission was a ton of average power, and not a big number. The end result just happen to be that we got a big number. In fact we got a huge number out of it, and there was still a ton of tuning to be done. We could easily replicate that same number (1,188 rwhp) at 35-38 lbs. of boost knowing what we do today. In fact, as you can see in that video, we made 914 at 25 lbs. total, and that was only at 5,200 rpm, when the car started going lean. Run that same type of pull all the way out to 6,500 or 7,000 and that would have been over 1,000 easily, and all under 30 lbs. The kits have also made over 750 rwhp on pump gas at under 20 lbs. total. So they make good power.

Now, to compare what we did with what Evolution did is a little bit off a weird comparison. Like I said, we did an experiment to make a lot of average power, and did that. Evolution's goal has never really been big power numbers, but instead, fast track times, and they did that, while at the same time making large numbers. I give a lot of credit where credit is due to those guys. They are an awesome shop, and I have recommended them to customers. But keep in mind that this was a custom fabrication type deal, and there's a lot of leeway when you do a custom job with your own car vs. a kit intended for street use and the retention of factory accessories. I don't know off the top of my head what was kept/eliminated accessory wise on Evolution's kit, if it was anything, but it's something to consider.

They are also running 50 extra cubic inches of engine with larger heads than we were working with.

Their car is definitely very nice though, congrats to them.
 

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Hellion - what were the uncorrected numbers for that 1188 rwhp dyno figure?
 

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I'm just interested in the correction factor mostly. Does the graph show that?
 

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Last thing i could remember was that hellion said that something happened to it. :comando:

anyways. :uglystupid2: :uglystupid2: :uglystupid2:

:hammer:
 

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Paul said:
I'm just interested in the correction factor mostly. Does the graph show that?

The graph won't show the correction, just the difference in the numbers.

Here's the graph.

twinuncorrected.jpg


Just about 970, at about 6,800 ft. elevation. Correction factor is 1.215 SAE, which is what everyone uses.

The dip in the middle of the graph is from wheel spin.

also keep in mind, there was more tuning to be done. We have made within 50hp of this with 17 less lbs. of boost, and 1,800 less rpm.
 

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That correction factor seems a bit exaggerated given that this is a turbocharged application and atmospheric pressure has a less significant impact on forced induction motors than naturally aspirated.
 

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Paul said:
That correction factor seems a bit exaggerated given that this is a turbocharged application and atmospheric pressure has a less significant impact on forced induction motors than naturally aspirated.

It may be a bit exaggerated, however, it's the same correction factor that all dyno's use to correct numbers. There is no forced induction vs. N/A correction factor, unfortunately. Again, we are more interested in the curve of the graph than final number it puts out. Compared to other twin turbos, and single turbos the area under the curve in the graph is great, and that's where the benefit of the compound boost setup comes in, hence my willingness to post a graph that's uncorrected showing 970hp, because it's not about the peaks #'s.

That's why Supra's get a bad rep, because usually their power isn't as present under the curve as it is at the peak, so they only have a ridiculous amount of power for a short time. That's what we were trying to avoid.

Having said that, gains of 200+ hp from a correction factor occur with all forms of induction, forced or not. Superchargers are affected just about as bad as N/A engines because their speed is limited to a certain amount by a pulley, but even still, dyno's will show 120-180 rwhp gains with the correction factor. The correction factor for this graph isn't that outlandish, especially when, in our experience, moving down to a lower, more dense air condition usually increases boost 1-3 psi, which would make up the power shown on the corrected vs. non-corrected graphs when combined with the increase in air density.
 

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