I always cheated and took warp tubes. So I don’t remember too many pennies........
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How to install a Maximum Motorsports Front K Member
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I always cheated and took warp tubes. So I don’t remember too many pennies........
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Messing with engine builders....gonna have to try harder to pull the shirts over our headsI agree I got the same action from the owner and no follow up but the slaves were cool and told me my numbers matched their numbers when I measured and told them my findings.
I have repeatedly done the correct install measurement, It is not very hard to do. I did it to 1/2mm accuracy which is overkill. Then I started to check the new MM K frame with this type of tool and wow wee the holes are off by..and the A arms are off by.. and the custom bushings are off by.. and the high dollar ball joints are off by.. AND MY FRONT WHEEL IS OFF BY 5mm.
What to fight about Manley rods...
I called them too and told them what I found and they said "That's why you measure them"
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OLD H2S
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Engine builders with LOTS of painful experience. You guys think I am nuts for my exploits, doing tear downs on street engines every 1000 miles just to see...
L&M Engines told me every engine is built wrong you just do not know it till it fails or you take it apart and look see.
You can not expect if you do not inspect.
L&M Engines told me every engine is built wrong you just do not know it till it fails or you take it apart and look see.
You can not expect if you do not inspect.
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One of the first stories about the best Mustang K member. Maximum Motorsports for the win . I’ll drink another king Cobra.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/138-0303-maximum-motorsports-k-member
“The K-Member
Just to be sure we're all on the same page, the K-member is the large subframe bolted to the front of the Mustang unibody. It provides structural rigidity to the unibody, along with the attaching points for the front suspension, steering, and engine. As Ford builds it, the K-member is a massive, heavy amalgamation of welded-together sheet steel. It gets its name from its shape, which is K-like in plain view. Because it interfaces between the frame, suspension, and engine, modi-fying the K-member can affect the wheelbase, track, camber, caster, bumpsteer, engine height and setback, in addition to vehicle rigidity and weight. Also, there are large gains in working room when using an aftermarket K-member because Ford's sheetmetal version is bulky. However, the main reason to redesign the K-member is to reengineer the front suspension for increased grip and handling predictability. When Maximum Motorsports approached the K-member, it was definitely aiming at road racing and all-around street performance. So, while there are super-light drag-racing K-members available, Maximum's is not one of them. It's a combination of round and square tubing to best distribute loads, and at 38 pounds it is 13 pounds lighter than the 51-pound stocker. That's still a significant weight savings, of course.
Maximum also concluded its K-member customers would more than likely be diehard handling fans, and not every Maximum customer would necessarily buy a K-member. As we'll see, this led to some speciali-zation in the unit's design. Maximum's K-member has two sets of holes for the A-arm attachment points. The first set is 1 inch higher than stock (there is no stock-ride-height mounting hole); the second set is 2 inches higher. These holes allow lowering the front ride height 1 or 2 inches depending on how aggressive the overall suspension setup is. Our track-oriented car took the 2-inch drop, so pothole dodging and driveway-approach avoidance is in our future. Furthermore, these holes also give 3/4 inch more wheelbase (the A-arm is moved forward 3/4 inch), and are the stock distance in and out for no change in track (if track gain is desired, it is better to do it with the A-arm to avoid bumpsteer complications). When combined with the 3/4-inch wheelbase increase gained from Maximum's A-arms, this puts the wheels 11/2 inches forward--that's into the fender lips with big tires. So, you can run just the A-arms and be OK on the street with a 3/4-inch wheelbase gain, or add the K-member for more serious work on the track where fender-lip rolling is a given. There is no provision for stock spring styles--coilovers must be used. This is due to strength/bulk issues in the now-missing spring-mounting area. Maximum believes too much compromise would be required to use a stock-spring type, so after trying too hard to incorporate the stock springs and delaying the K-member's market entrance, the company said to heck with it and made its K-member coilover only. For the record, the stock spring-style K-member was 7 pounds heavier, bulkier, and more difficult to produce. Early prototypes had a fair amount of anti-dive built in (A-arm attaching points rotated with the rear attachment higher than the front, tilting the lower control arm). In testing, this proved to bind the suspension under braking, making brake modulation difficult.
Production K-members have stock anti-dive built in. This also gives a smoother ride, as the tire doesn't have to travel forward while compressing due to bumps. Ultimate stopping ability, if you can modulate the brakes properly with either case, is no different between high and low anti-dive characteristics, Maximum says. Engine height and setback with Maximum's K-member are stock or nearly so. Engine lowering can still be accomplished with shorter mounts, of course. Rigidity is substantially increased over stock, both due to a more rigid K-member and the stout rear (g-load) brace the stocker does not have.”
Another pic of the Maximum Motorsports K. Member that I bought just after it got dropped off by the delivery guy
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/138-0303-maximum-motorsports-k-member
“The K-Member
Just to be sure we're all on the same page, the K-member is the large subframe bolted to the front of the Mustang unibody. It provides structural rigidity to the unibody, along with the attaching points for the front suspension, steering, and engine. As Ford builds it, the K-member is a massive, heavy amalgamation of welded-together sheet steel. It gets its name from its shape, which is K-like in plain view. Because it interfaces between the frame, suspension, and engine, modi-fying the K-member can affect the wheelbase, track, camber, caster, bumpsteer, engine height and setback, in addition to vehicle rigidity and weight. Also, there are large gains in working room when using an aftermarket K-member because Ford's sheetmetal version is bulky. However, the main reason to redesign the K-member is to reengineer the front suspension for increased grip and handling predictability. When Maximum Motorsports approached the K-member, it was definitely aiming at road racing and all-around street performance. So, while there are super-light drag-racing K-members available, Maximum's is not one of them. It's a combination of round and square tubing to best distribute loads, and at 38 pounds it is 13 pounds lighter than the 51-pound stocker. That's still a significant weight savings, of course.
Maximum also concluded its K-member customers would more than likely be diehard handling fans, and not every Maximum customer would necessarily buy a K-member. As we'll see, this led to some speciali-zation in the unit's design. Maximum's K-member has two sets of holes for the A-arm attachment points. The first set is 1 inch higher than stock (there is no stock-ride-height mounting hole); the second set is 2 inches higher. These holes allow lowering the front ride height 1 or 2 inches depending on how aggressive the overall suspension setup is. Our track-oriented car took the 2-inch drop, so pothole dodging and driveway-approach avoidance is in our future. Furthermore, these holes also give 3/4 inch more wheelbase (the A-arm is moved forward 3/4 inch), and are the stock distance in and out for no change in track (if track gain is desired, it is better to do it with the A-arm to avoid bumpsteer complications). When combined with the 3/4-inch wheelbase increase gained from Maximum's A-arms, this puts the wheels 11/2 inches forward--that's into the fender lips with big tires. So, you can run just the A-arms and be OK on the street with a 3/4-inch wheelbase gain, or add the K-member for more serious work on the track where fender-lip rolling is a given. There is no provision for stock spring styles--coilovers must be used. This is due to strength/bulk issues in the now-missing spring-mounting area. Maximum believes too much compromise would be required to use a stock-spring type, so after trying too hard to incorporate the stock springs and delaying the K-member's market entrance, the company said to heck with it and made its K-member coilover only. For the record, the stock spring-style K-member was 7 pounds heavier, bulkier, and more difficult to produce. Early prototypes had a fair amount of anti-dive built in (A-arm attaching points rotated with the rear attachment higher than the front, tilting the lower control arm). In testing, this proved to bind the suspension under braking, making brake modulation difficult.
Production K-members have stock anti-dive built in. This also gives a smoother ride, as the tire doesn't have to travel forward while compressing due to bumps. Ultimate stopping ability, if you can modulate the brakes properly with either case, is no different between high and low anti-dive characteristics, Maximum says. Engine height and setback with Maximum's K-member are stock or nearly so. Engine lowering can still be accomplished with shorter mounts, of course. Rigidity is substantially increased over stock, both due to a more rigid K-member and the stout rear (g-load) brace the stocker does not have.”
Another pic of the Maximum Motorsports K. Member that I bought just after it got dropped off by the delivery guy
One of the first stories about the best Mustang K member. Maximum Motorsports for the win . I’ll drink another king Cobra.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/138-0303-maximum-motorsports-k-member
“The K-Member
Just to be sure we're all on the same page, the K-member is the large subframe bolted to the front of the Mustang unibody. It provides structural rigidity to the unibody, along with the attaching points for the front suspension, steering, and engine. As Ford builds it, the K-member is a massive, heavy amalgamation of welded-together sheet steel. It gets its name from its shape, which is K-like in plain view. Because it interfaces between the frame, suspension, and engine, modi-fying the K-member can affect the wheelbase, track, camber, caster, bumpsteer, engine height and setback, in addition to vehicle rigidity and weight. Also, there are large gains in working room when using an aftermarket K-member because Ford's sheetmetal version is bulky. However, the main reason to redesign the K-member is to reengineer the front suspension for increased grip and handling predictability. When Maximum Motorsports approached the K-member, it was definitely aiming at road racing and all-around street performance. So, while there are super-light drag-racing K-members available, Maximum's is not one of them. It's a combination of round and square tubing to best distribute loads, and at 38 pounds it is 13 pounds lighter than the 51-pound stocker. That's still a significant weight savings, of course.
Maximum also concluded its K-member customers would more than likely be diehard handling fans, and not every Maximum customer would necessarily buy a K-member. As we'll see, this led to some speciali-zation in the unit's design. Maximum's K-member has two sets of holes for the A-arm attachment points. The first set is 1 inch higher than stock (there is no stock-ride-height mounting hole); the second set is 2 inches higher. These holes allow lowering the front ride height 1 or 2 inches depending on how aggressive the overall suspension setup is. Our track-oriented car took the 2-inch drop, so pothole dodging and driveway-approach avoidance is in our future. Furthermore, these holes also give 3/4 inch more wheelbase (the A-arm is moved forward 3/4 inch), and are the stock distance in and out for no change in track (if track gain is desired, it is better to do it with the A-arm to avoid bumpsteer complications). When combined with the 3/4-inch wheelbase increase gained from Maximum's A-arms, this puts the wheels 11/2 inches forward--that's into the fender lips with big tires. So, you can run just the A-arms and be OK on the street with a 3/4-inch wheelbase gain, or add the K-member for more serious work on the track where fender-lip rolling is a given. There is no provision for stock spring styles--coilovers must be used. This is due to strength/bulk issues in the now-missing spring-mounting area. Maximum believes too much compromise would be required to use a stock-spring type, so after trying too hard to incorporate the stock springs and delaying the K-member's market entrance, the company said to heck with it and made its K-member coilover only. For the record, the stock spring-style K-member was 7 pounds heavier, bulkier, and more difficult to produce. Early prototypes had a fair amount of anti-dive built in (A-arm attaching points rotated with the rear attachment higher than the front, tilting the lower control arm). In testing, this proved to bind the suspension under braking, making brake modulation difficult.
Production K-members have stock anti-dive built in. This also gives a smoother ride, as the tire doesn't have to travel forward while compressing due to bumps. Ultimate stopping ability, if you can modulate the brakes properly with either case, is no different between high and low anti-dive characteristics, Maximum says. Engine height and setback with Maximum's K-member are stock or nearly so. Engine lowering can still be accomplished with shorter mounts, of course. Rigidity is substantially increased over stock, both due to a more rigid K-member and the stout rear (g-load) brace the stocker does not have.”
Another pic of the Maximum Motorsports K. Member that I bought just after it got dropped off by the delivery guy
You do know that mm gives all the parts to mustangs magazines for free don’t you?!? They do that as they are one of the biggest sponsors of muscle mustangs mag. The magazine has to use their stuff and talk it up per agreement.
While you once again sound like a mm fanboy with their big wrench up your ass!!!
Move on to somewhere else. If you haven’t learned yet, not one member wants to listen to your bs or cares. Nobody on here is rushing out and buying their stuff just because you say it’s special.
At this point I’d stay away from them just because I’m so sick of hearing about their garbage.
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OLD H2S
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Your first sentance gives it away.. You are recycling antique ad copy again from the mfg. when it is all sunshine and rainbows. 10 years later the reality has shown a much worse outcome.
Finanical planners dream of finding people like you.
Finanical planners dream of finding people like you.
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cobraracer46
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Yes, I am a big fan of Maximum Motorsports, that’s why I buy their parts. Quality stuff for sure.
By the way, you seem to care quite a bit about the Maximum Motorsports k member thread because you keep replying to it.
How about you start a thread on the K member that’s on your car and I’ll chime in with n it.
I’m going to drink another king Cobra for Maximum Motorsports.
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cobraracer46
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Yes captain obvious, the Maximum Motorsports article is a blast from the past.
To this day no one has been able to make a better k member than Maximum Motorsports thus proving that sunshine and rainbows are doing quite well.
ttocs
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I don’t care about their k anymore than I care about listening to your bullshit.
I care about this forum and don’t want people spamming it and at this point you are no different than the spammers selling shoes.
Go sell your garbage elsewhere
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So who's drunk?
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cobraracer46
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Nothing wrong with taking your car to the shop. However, except for tires and alignments, I do all the work on the Mustang myself and it’s been that way forever.
Another thing too is that I try and support California businesses as much as I can so it’s a bonus that Maximum Motorsports is located in California.
ttocs
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I don't buy it. ANY of us on here is more then proud to show themselves working on their car, with their new piece of gear. We have people that get excited and show themselves installed leds in the dash or other simple things but anything like this normally has at least one pic of us, under/with it as a proud pappa during the install. But not you, your different I guess you would rather post articles of how to install it and how great it is... I mean ya gotta have one pic of you working on it right?
OLD H2S
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My debate is nether that they are good or bad, I have one and here is what I found. I have their whole catalog and this is what I have found. When I talk to them they confirm what I have found.
I have many MM parts for sale and more to come, keep checking EBay.
I have MMR parts for sale for the same reason, keep checking EBay.
I have many other parts to sell keep checking back.
I buy, try, dump and move on...
I have many MM parts for sale and more to come, keep checking EBay.
I have MMR parts for sale for the same reason, keep checking EBay.
I have many other parts to sell keep checking back.
I buy, try, dump and move on...
No Ttocs, he never post anything like that. He’s just another infomercial but like the oxyclean guy.
Which now that I think about it, didn’t he overdose on cocaine??
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Which now that I think about it, didn’t he overdose on cocaine??
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Another cobraracer thread gone to hell. Wonder if anyone could've seen it coming?
ttocs
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I am not sure if he is the forum jester or captin chaos
OLD H2S
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He is getting payied .10 a word.
RedTwilight
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@evilcw311 Do it! Do it! That way every time he mentions MM and we drink; you can mention your brand and we do a line or take a puff! LOL
(edit: I do not participate nor condone the use of drugs and alcohol.)
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