me VS SI

[justinschmidt1]

JR...what do you think npis run? you act like theyre so ungodly slow...I mean a stock 5 speed npi can run mid 14s with a decent driver...thats not that bad :dunno:

More like high 14's, stock, on a good day. And by the standards of today, that's ungodly slow. By the standards of today, you need mid 12's to be able to stand tall and proud. I'm not kidding when I say I whooped on a NPI with some bolt-ons in my friggen Jeep Wrangler.... I weights 4000lbs, or more, it has a 3.8l mini van motor in it, and is rated at 200 hp... Most 94-98 V6 car's are almost as fast as the NPI, all 99-up V6 car's are as fast, and a V6 Camaro will own an NPI. You need toi watch out for Grand Prix's and Monte Carlo SS's, Nissan Altima's, Honda Accords, and Acurqa Integra's. It's pathetic, it's sad, but anyone with half a brain knows it's true. You can bring out 60 numbers until you dide, but those cars are all car's NPI guy's need to fear, period. And in the pipeline are the new Camaro, Challenger, and Ford's Hurricane engine, NPI's are sooo boned it ain't funny.

But here's the thing, the car's have enormous potential, if you have money. You won't do it for cheap though, so either get used to driving a good/fast looking car that in reality is slow, or get used to the idea that you will spend at least 5k to bring it up to snuff.

It's pathetic that you have to fear Civic SI's, but they are damn impressive little car's. And it's pathetic that you have to fall back to refusing to race from a roll, but you do. A good car, should be able to hold it's own against ALL commer's, in all sport's, IMO. Most stock car's can't do that, they need help, so give em some help, don't start spewing number's and refuses to race.

right...I think you underate them...

theres no way your jeep wrangler is faster than a npi gt...you beat the DRIVER, not the car.

Im wondering where you get 5k to bring them to snuff?

hell, you could spend less than 3k on a used blower
you could do a full pi swap for 1,000 if you do the work and have a high 13 second car.
you could spray it for 1,000 and again.

You cant compare a 15 yr old car to a 2007 civic si.

why not compare an older civic si around the range of when a npi gt was made?

99 civic si was rated at 160 hp and 111 ft lb or something like that...probably ran 16s.

you talk about the npi being so bad but take a look at the PI gts...

they need to watch out for the 3.5 altimas,maximas, and the 3.5 accords just like the npis do.


Why cant npis race from a roll?

my slow auto npi head and npi cams car traps 102 so Im pretty good when it comes to roll racing.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The driver wasn't running next to me in the other lane... I'm sure he was perfectly average, you seem to forget, I bought mine new, I know what they do.

I don't compare them to then, because this isn't then, this is now. Civic Si's with 200 hp are rather common, as are Hemi Charger's, LS1's, 3v GT's, etc. If you can't run a mid 12, you can't hang with the cool kids, period.

I get 5k minimum, since you seem to be forgetting, tuning, suspsension, tires, gear's, and all the other little tidbit's that go with it. As for spraying again and again, it'll be 40 dollar's everytime you fill the bottle.

So you're good when it comes to roll racing, it's a non point, you miss the point that these little FWD rocket's don't need to be good at roll racing, they just mash it and go.

Not to mention, picking on Civics and Altima's and whatnot in your big bad V8 car makes you look silly. Again, mid 12, if you want to be ahead of the game, that's the number.

 

[justinschmidt1]

thats why ive got a pro charger sitting in my living room!

although I dont see why you think hemi chargers,3v gts, and ls1a are equal.


Ive raced and beat 3 hemi chargers...never had a race with the other 2 but I know that a 3v is mid 13 second car at best in stock formd and ls1s are also 13 second cars in stock form/

Modded 3vs run 12s, ls1a are faster

 

[Jrgunn5150]

thats why ive got a pro charger sitting in my living room!

although I dont see why you think hemi chargers,3v gts, and ls1a are equal.


Ive raced and beat 3 hemi chargers...never had a race with the other 2 but I know that a 3v is mid 13 second car at best in stock formd and ls1s are also 13 second cars in stock form/

Modded 3vs run 12s, ls1a are faster

What you wanna be even? I want to dominate, and like I said, there are bigger guns in the pipline.

 

[justinschmidt1]

thats why ive got a pro charger sitting in my living room!

although I dont see why you think hemi chargers,3v gts, and ls1a are equal.


Ive raced and beat 3 hemi chargers...never had a race with the other 2 but I know that a 3v is mid 13 second car at best in stock formd and ls1s are also 13 second cars in stock form/

Modded 3vs run 12s, ls1a are faster

What you wanna be even? I want to dominate, and like I said, there are bigger guns in the pipline.

theres always someone faster....Im just saying my auto npi with some bolt ons beats chargers and can beat 3v mustangs with a not so good driver.

I dont really know what the point of this argument is but I dont consider a npi gt a bad investment

For the price of a new charger,ls1, or new stang you could buy a 96-98 gt for like 2-3k, and boost it, spray it, build it, whatever you want.

Theres like a 20k price differance..im sure you can make that little npi run a hell of a lot better than all those cars you mentioned

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[xsoutherngun89x]

but you could also buy a LS1 late model camaro and be 1-1 1/2 sec's faster for about 1 grand more, lol

 

[Jrgunn5150]

theres always someone faster....

Of course, but there's no excuse for EVERYONE being faster. The whole money arguement comes up in every lost race ever "well if I had in my car what you have in your's..." Doesn't matter, a loss is a loss, IF you want to play, you HAVE to pay, simple as that.

If you can run a 12.50, you're still ahead of 99% of the car's on the street, it's a good goal to shoot for to remain competitive. I don't want to hope for driver error on the other guy's part.

 

[justinschmidt1]

but you could also buy a LS1 late model camaro and be 1-1 1/2 sec's faster for about 1 grand more, lol

Theyre usually more expensive than that.

theres tons of variables but for example... i would say a NPI GT with about 80k can be had for what 5-6k nowadays?

ls1 camaros with 80k sell for double that...more like 12-13k

theres always someone faster....

Of course, but there's no excuse for EVERYONE being faster. The whole money arguement comes up in every lost race ever "well if I had in my car what you have in your's..." Doesn't matter, a loss is a loss, IF you want to play, you HAVE to pay, simple as that.

If you can run a 12.50, you're still ahead of 99% of the car's on the street, it's a good goal to shoot for to remain competitive. I don't want to hope for driver error on the other guy's part.

I agree with you man...NPI gt's are definately slow in stock form....but with a few mods, pi parts they can hold their own.

 

[xsoutherngun89x]

ive seen em cheaper than that down here, they normally go for 7-9K in bama. its just hard to find a nice one that somebody actually wants to sell. I bought the GT for 6 and if i could have found a 6 speed ls1 for 7-8 thou my ass wouldnt be in a GT. im gonna buy one eventually cause i like all american muscle/ponycars. plus the ls1 can be made a verrry streetfriendly weekend runner with a cam and some spray

 

[justinschmidt1]

ive seen em cheaper than that down here, they normally go for 7-9K in bama. its just hard to find a nice one that somebody actually wants to sell. I bought the GT for 6 and if i could have found a 6 speed ls1 for 7-8 thou my ass wouldnt be in a GT. im gonna buy one eventually cause i like all american muscle/ponycars. plus the ls1 can be made a verrry streetfriendly weekend runner with a cam and some spray

no denying that...but i see them as more of a straight line car.

They handle like shit and IMO I dont like the way they look at all...dont get me wrong, ive seen some bad ass looking f bodys but I just dont like the design that much

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The torque arm suspension is waaayy superior to our bound up POS 4 link. That's why MM copies it and act's like it's some kind of breakthrough.

 

[xsoutherngun89x]

only thing i cant stand about f-bodys is the interior and the fact you have to custom make a dual x pipe design. Y pipes are fuggin gay as hell

 

[Jrgunn5150]

Did you guy's know that a single 3.5" pipe has more volume than two 2.5" pipes?

I don't like the shitty interior and the rear end that can't hold up to 3.1 V6 power, let alone LS6 power. Ford did bless the 'Stang with a tough rear end

 

[xsoutherngun89x]

i know the flow number are better Jr, i just cant stand the sound they produce. and yea, 10 bolt arent even worth usin as meltdown metal

 

[moot09]

since were kinda bashing hte maro i hate the ride quality and the fact that a fast ls1 are a dime a dozen. down where i cruise in tulsa every fourth car is a camaro. now when you see a fast gt or better yet an sn95 i go crazy

 

[justinschmidt1]

since were kinda bashing hte maro i hate the ride quality and the fact that a fast ls1 are a dime a dozen. down where i cruise in tulsa every fourth car is a camaro. now when you see a fast gt or better yet an sn95 i go crazy

this is true...you dont see an sn95 hit 12s too often haha....ls1s are ghey FTL!FTL!FTL!

 

[Jrgunn5150]

since were kinda bashing hte maro i hate the ride quality and the fact that a fast ls1 are a dime a dozen. down where i cruise in tulsa every fourth car is a camaro. now when you see a fast gt or better yet an sn95 i go crazy

this is true...you dont see an sn95 hit 12s too often haha....ls1s are ghey FTL!FTL!FTL!

So because they are fast they are ghey? And because they win, it's LS1 FTL??

 

[Venom351R]

this is true...you dont see an sn95 hit 12s too often haha....ls1s are ghey FTL!FTL!FTL!

Mine didn't have much trouble :dunno: Should be mid to low 12's after some mods this summer.

To the thread starter-

Its good that you got to the track and learned some stuff from it. What were your 60ft times? That is one huge factor in how well you will do, the run is lost or won in the first 60ft most of the time. I was stuck at 13.2 and 13.1 for awhile b/c I couldnt get the 60ft times I really needed, once I changed to some better DR's and dropped my 60ft time I banged out two 12 second runs back to back. You need to start somewhere so if beating a Tiburon makes you happy then fine. There were many cars I was worried about beating when I first started going to the track a lot but Ive taken down my fair share of Camaoro's including LS1's, other mustangs fox bodies and SN95's N/A and Supercharged, GTO's, and quite a bit of Honda's, Integra's and those types. Im hunting for the bigger fish in the pond now, I at least want to race other V8's. Then again when I get up against some slow turd 4 cly I dont have to worry about the other car and can just concentrate more on my run. Go to the track more, improve your driving and you will get better every time.

As far as LS1's being slow or crap or turds they are not they are fast cars stock and modded then run HARD!!!! I like Mustangs more but the LS1 motor is not garbage for sure. Here's a run I had with an LS1 Corvette (2002 ish Id guess), not my best time of last summer but my most fun run I had it was damn close. Im the right lane hes the left.

 

[justinschmidt1]

is it me or does that not look right?

Im pretty sure they usually trap like 110

maybe he like missed a gear

the ls1 engine is great...but I just hate the car...i hate how it looks/ the interior is crap/ feels like crap...I drove one and just hated how it felt...felt like a cat fish tank mobile or something

 

[Venom351R]

is it me or does that not look right?

Im pretty sure they usually trap like 110

maybe he like missed a gear

the ls1 engine is great...but I just hate the car...i hate how it looks/ the interior is crap/ feels like crap...I drove one and just hated how it felt...felt like a cat fish tank mobile or something

all depends on the driver and the traction. The 2001 Corvette LS1 is a 5.7 Liter 348 CID rated at 350 HP and 350 FT LBS of TQ which is probably under rated as much car HP/TQ Ratings are so overall it was a very very close match to my 5.8 351W with 350 RWHP and 390 TQ