Remove scuffs and swirls in black paint?

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  1. Daryl

    Daryl Active Member

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    Been driving the car a fair amount lately and even though I’ve taken the EXTRA precautions of a car cover AND a fully enclosed, zip up “capsule”, I’ve still gotten the inevitable scuffs and swirls. Urrrrgh!

    So, I’m wondering what method is best to remove and then treat against future recurrences?
    I have wax, waxing compounds, etc and a dual-action polisher. I do not have clay bar nor have I ever attempted clay-barring.

    Suggestions?? Thanks for any/all help.,
     
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    stop waxing till you get clay and you will understand why you will never wax with out a quick clay rub ever again.

    Look into a glaze, I like mcgwires myself. You do not apply this like a wax where you do the whole car and then go wipe it off. You will need to a small section at a time and work the glaze in. A polisher might work if it has some torque to it but again you need to use some elbow grease and push down while its moving and some polishers are just not up to the task. Oh yea this is only after the clay bar.........
     
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    Thx, ttocs...
    Any recommendations on the clay bar brand, etc? I’ve never clay barred before so I think some You Tube videos are in my near future!
     
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    I can't remember whos bar I am using as I have had it so long. It came with a good piece of clay and something to keep it in. I think the biggest difference in them is just how much you get. Its not a big deal to use I normally give the car a quick wash to get the majority of the stuff off and then you can find the problem areas that need it by running your hand on the paint to feel for the things stuck to it. I wash it a 2nd time now in those areas and use the clay after the soap and you will feel it grabbing the crap stuck to the paint. Run your hand over it afterwards and you will understand the power of clay. I know it always sounds like a crazy joke when you hear about it but once you feel it after you will understand. I have to wonder who the hell came up with this idea myself...
     
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    I just got a 4 pack on amazon for like 14 bucks I think. Seemed to work well for me pulled up tons of crud

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    I used to detail for a while, but last 3 years been too busy at work to do anyone's cars other than my own.

    For Claybar -
    Use the NANOSKIN product. It's reusable and washable. Much better investment than standard clay bar. (step 1).
    Here's a link - https://www.nanoskinusa.com/collections/original-surface-prep?==&nopreview

    For the car, you are gonna need a buffer and various pads and compounds to get all the swirls/scratches out.
    It's impossible to do it by hand.
    Here's the buffer I recommend - https://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html

    For pads/compounds here's what I like -
    Menzerna products - https://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-of-germany.html
    Use a hybrid wool pad for the extreme cutting (step 2).
    Use a foam pad for lighter cutting/swirl remover (step 3). - https://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-hybrid-pads-6pk.html

    Finally you want to put a ceramic coating on it instead of wax for longer lasting protection and shine.
    There's a bunch out there to choose from.
    https://www.autogeek.net/sonax-cc36-ceramic-coating.html

    I actually use BEEDS products. There is a dealer in Miami, but here's the website.
    https://beeds.com.sg/

    I love the depth and shine of the Beeds ceramic coating. It's more expensive than other brands, but after using some other brands I like this product the best.

    Ryan
     
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    Also should mention if you don't have access to a buffer, then here's the poor man's way to detail that car.
    1. Wash and dry.
    2. Apply Iron-X to remove all contamination. Definitely get the Lemon scent! This stuff stinks! haha. https://www.autogeek.net/cp-16ls.html

    3. Claybar entire car to remove contaminants and make paint feel smooth. Nanoskin ftw! https://www.autogeek.net/nanoskin-speedy-prep-sponge-combo.html

    4. Apply Pinnacle Souveran Wax. This stuff works great and hides alot of defects in paint. https://www.autogeek.net/pinsouvwax.html
     
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  8. MyBoxersSayJoe

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    Wash with two bucket method.
    Iron X or similar iron and fallout remover.
    Then Claybar, I use Meguiar's Professional Medium (It's blue) with Gyeon Lube cut 1:10.
    IPA solution to clean the panels, (I use CarPro Eraser)

    From here you have a few options. You can give something like Turtle Wax's Jet Black polish a try: https://www.turtlewax.com/en-us/our-products/jet-black/turtle-wax-jet-black-black-box-kit/

    If you want to just fill and conceal light swirls, you can glaze and then wax.

    If you're a nut like me, polish then sealant then wax. Although at this point, I've just been doing using Turtle Wax Seal 'N' Shine with their Ice Spray as a drying agent. Mostly just for the durability and ease of use. The $40+ Chemical Guys stuff failed for me on the first wash. Haven't taken the time yet to buy or try any of the other new combos.
     
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    Something on here that may have been glossed over. Its beneficial to use a soap that WILL strip wax and degrease. If you're cheap, dawn dish soap works. If youre the fancy type a few people make a degreaser/stripping soap. Stripping all that crap off will be very helpful.

    Since the car is 25 years old it probably doesn't have a whole lot of clear on it. Probably start with a medium compound as to not cut too much clear.

    As also mentioned I do like the sealer and wax after a polish idea. Wax at a minimum both is better.

    I think Ryan gave you some nice high quality options. And theyll probably perform better than your average walmart/auto zone products. All depends on your budget I dont see anything wrong with McGuire's, turtle wax or chemical guys

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    It's real easy to break the bad habit of cleaning black paint with horrible shelf products. Get yourself some chemical guys products. Clay bar and luber after a healthy pressure wash. Three step the car, then black light it. You can order black light corrective nano wax and Black light wash. Thank me later. Get off shelf products.
    ----triple black 88 gt -----
     
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    Thx Blue,
    I’ll check into it. They’re only about 45 minutes away from where I live so maybe go there in person and get some expert advice.
     
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    If your getting into polishing don't get their buffing pads I hated them and know of a few others that were not happy with them.
     
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    Ok
     
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    Ap,
    Do you recall or have the link to that site you got the 4-pack from?
     
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    I have had the same piece of clay now for 5 yrs and its still fresh. Once you do it once well you will only need to do small sections so that 4 piece pack is almost a lifetime supply unless your doing a detail biz.
     
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    Do yourself a favor and skip the Chemical Guys products minus their VRP for tires/trim. Some of the shittiest pads, polishes, soaps I've used. I bought into the marketing and YouTube videos. Learned pretty quickly to move on after my first two corrections.
     
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    Yeah we had a guy here who worked for them and annoyed us daily with their stuff. Several members tried it once and said never again.


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