Road Course SN95

[g36 monkey]

Idk the tone your talking about haha.

My car sounded different with the stock motor. It then sounded different with the new motor. It then sounded different when I punched out two of the cats.

It will sound different once again with long tubes and no cats. If I think that's too loud, it will once again sound different with SLP high flo cats.

All of these produce a different tone. I am not sure what you are referencing ;p

I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to understand lol

 

[LilRoush]

That comparo is soooo skewed. I could buy a $500 fox body, then built a budget $6500 351 stroker and be faster. Anything can be made fast with the right amount of money.

It's not skewed, that is exactly my point. People get too hung up on size of the motor, and not what proper mods will do.
All the those owners who paid top dollar for a new 5.0L can whine all they want when getting spanked by a boosted 3.7L... but the smart man will buy the cheaper car and mod it to be faster.

As he just said above, that can be said with anything and your comparison is skewed.

Even the brand new 5.0 vs the 3.7. You can boost that 3.7 and beat up on 5.0s for less money than the 5.0 will cost to buy in the first place.
IMO, the 3.8s just sound like SHIT no matter what you do which is enough to force me to never want to mod one. lol
Im still not sure if I really agree with you...what can you buy with 1500 dollars to make a 3.8 beat a 4.6?

Nitrous doesnt count.

Cause from what ive seen, 3.8s make like no power NA and even ones with heads/cams/ etc etc cant even break into the 13s which stock 4.6s have been proven to do.


Like is there stock motor 3.8s that run 11s?

Ive probably spent a lot of money on my car dicking around over the years, but its essentially just a stock PI motor with a vortech blower and a stall converter.

Don't go throwing on conditions now that I just showed the V6 can be faster for the money spent. LOL
Ok, we'll exlude nitrous (though you must agree power is power).
No, of course no V6 Mustang runs a stock 11 second 1/4 - that's just rediculous. However, stock with boost/fuel system go 10s. And built N/A mark is at 11 seconds right now (I was there when the first N/A 11 second pass was made at South Georgia). I never claimed they make good power N/A. They respond very well to boost and for $1500 a guy who knows what he's doing can boost the crap out of one and beat up on 4.6L hp numbers all day long. Almost everytime you take the price difference between a similar year V6 and V8, you can make up the ground with mods for the money saved.

As for sound... a well done V6 sounds just as nasty as any other well done car. The tone mine had with the ported Eaton and Spin Tech side exit was the best I've ever had on a Mustang... and I've owned a LOT of V8s over the years.

 

[bonestock3.8DTH]

I think some v6's sound a hole hell of a lot better then others There is this one on Youtube That has MAC long tubes a MAC H or X and then flowmaster cat back and sounds amazing except I dont want flowmasters just casue everyone has them witch I dont like haha.

 

[g36 monkey]

I bought my car for $2600 a few years ago. I couldn't find a new edge v8 for less than 6. At the time it was the only new edge I had seen below three grand.

If I wasn't so into restoration of it, I could have made it faster with the money that's in it now.

 

[LilRoush]

If I get a new Mustang it will be a 3.7L. I really wanna see what can be done with that motor.
The only reason I bought the '98 4.6L is because of how rare it is - not b/c it was a V8. I was one of those guys that made fun of the V6 night and day before I had one. Buying one really woke me up (and yes, when I started modding, my first power mod was gonna be a 4 cam swap).

 

[bonestock3.8DTH]

If I get a new Mustang it will be a 3.7L. I really wanna see what can be done with that motor.
The only reason I bought the '98 4.6L is because of how rare it is - not b/c it was a V8. I was one of those guys that made fun of the V6 night and day before I had one. Buying one really woke me up (and yes, when I started modding, my first power mod was gonna be a 4 cam swap).

Well you got a Roush! Not just any 98 Mustang hah how rare is yours exactly?

 

[PI96GT]

This thread made me laugh so hard, who the hell is this guy. Gets offered advice and then starts making claims a little ricebox is faster than everything on this site? what a joke.

 

[bonestock3.8DTH]

This thread made me laugh so hard, who the hell is this guy. Gets offered advice and then starts making claims a little ricebox is faster than everything on this site? what a joke.

Hahah yeah I know notice he hasn't been back since and the thread has been completely jacked but hey his fart canned Mustang makes almost the same power of PI 4.6 so Id watch out Ive heard its fast Hahahah

 

[justinschmidt1]

It's not skewed, that is exactly my point. People get too hung up on size of the motor, and not what proper mods will do.
All the those owners who paid top dollar for a new 5.0L can whine all they want when getting spanked by a boosted 3.7L... but the smart man will buy the cheaper car and mod it to be faster.




Don't go throwing on conditions now that I just showed the V6 can be faster for the money spent. LOL
Ok, we'll exlude nitrous (though you must agree power is power).
No, of course no V6 Mustang runs a stock 11 second 1/4 - that's just rediculous. However, stock with boost/fuel system go 10s. And built N/A mark is at 11 seconds right now (I was there when the first N/A 11 second pass was made at South Georgia). I never claimed they make good power N/A. They respond very well to boost and for $1500 a guy who knows what he's doing can boost the crap out of one and beat up on 4.6L hp numbers all day long. Almost everytime you take the price difference between a similar year V6 and V8, you can make up the ground with mods for the money saved.

As for sound... a well done V6 sounds just as nasty as any other well done car. The tone mine had with the ported Eaton and Spin Tech side exit was the best I've ever had on a Mustang... and I've owned a LOT of V8s over the years.

I meant stock motor with boost. Show me an example of a 3.8 with just boost running 10s though lol


This arguments pointless, you can make anything fast. I can take a 500 dollar honda and make it fast. lol

Im not saying your wrong, I just want to see some exampled of these fast 3.8s and the setups they are running cause I honestly dont see them doing squat.

My buddys 3.8 has every bolt on ever, stall, 4.10s, and a 150 shot and runs like 12.5

 

[bonestock3.8DTH]

I meant stock motor with boost. Show me an example of a 3.8 with just boost running 10s though lol


This arguments pointless, you can make anything fast. I can take a 500 dollar honda and make it fast. lol

Im not saying your wrong, I just want to see some exampled of these fast 3.8s and the setups they are running cause I honestly dont see them doing squat.

My buddys 3.8 has every bolt on ever, stall, 4.10s, and a 150 shot and runs like 12.5

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c...d_mustang_v6_englishtown_drag_race/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0808_2001_ford_mustang_v6/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0608_1996_ford_mustang_saleen/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0510_v_6_powered_mustang/index.html
^ 10 second 1/4 mile Fox body 4.2 stroker

Those are for anyone who didn't believe that a 3.8 could be fast

 

[justinschmidt1]

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.c...d_mustang_v6_englishtown_drag_race/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0808_2001_ford_mustang_v6/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0608_1996_ford_mustang_saleen/index.html

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0510_v_6_powered_mustang/index.html
^ 10 second 1/4 mile Fox body 4.2 stroker

Those are for anyone who didn't believe that a 3.8 could be fast

Nobody ever said a 3.8 couldnt be fast


Im looking for 3.8s that are fast without a built motor and 2 power adders. lol Anything can make power with 13 psi and a 75 shot of spray.


I was looking for simple things, like just a blower on a stock motor...like tha one dude that went 12.6 Not too bad

 

[LilRoush]

I meant stock motor with boost. Show me an example of a 3.8 with just boost running 10s though lol


This arguments pointless, you can make anything fast. I can take a 500 dollar honda and make it fast. lol

Im not saying your wrong, I just want to see some exampled of these fast 3.8s and the setups they are running cause I honestly dont see them doing squat.

My buddys 3.8 has every bolt on ever, stall, 4.10s, and a 150 shot and runs like 12.5

A bolt on V6 isn't going to turn heads - we all agree to that. But you have to admit 12s from a car that runs 16s stock is a nice step up.

Justin (VMP) had a 10 second stock motor with boost sleeper. He was one of the first that pushed the stock motor - and that was back in like '04 or '05. It was 450rwhp @ 17 psi. Many jumped right to the Super Coupe short block or the 4.2L bottom end out of the F150. Do some reading on the V6 forums/boards... sure there are some who won't show off their set up too much, but they are out there.

 

[LilRoush]

Well you got a Roush! Not just any 98 Mustang hah how rare is yours exactly?

Missed this when I first posted.... It's the only supercharged non side exit version made in '98 that I know of. The down side is records for old Roush cars like this are hard to confirm because some of them were outsourced with no papers. And Roush didn't start adding serial numbers until 1999.

 

[justinschmidt1]

A bolt on V6 isn't going to turn heads - we all agree to that. But you have to admit 12s from a car that runs 16s stock is a nice step up.

Justin (VMP) had a 10 second stock motor with boost sleeper. He was one of the first that pushed the stock motor - and that was back in like '04 or '05. It was 450rwhp @ 17 psi. Many jumped right to the Super Coupe short block or the 4.2L bottom end out of the F150. Do some reading on the V6 forums/boards... sure there are some who won't show off their set up too much, but they are out there.

Ive been around the block and I know about justins car...but honestly, does not seem like many other people doing anything impressive?

Ive seen the super coupe and 4.2 stuff and I never remembered seeing anything special out of them.

Again, anything can be made fast...what do you think a stock auto NPI runs? 15s...a manual split port v6 can run 15s as well.

You guys can think what you want but I just dont think your argument is solid.

Anthing can be made fast and to make a 3.8 fast and do it right, will cost $$$.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkpyGBmFwA&feature=related

I looked around and found things like this. He has a built motor and a blower. Says he maxed it out and made 16 psi. Dynoed at 383 rwhp....

Not too bad, but heres a m112 swap with some mods, lts, cam etc. Couldnt break 300 rwhp...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MyT7XhCW4Q&feature=related


I just think there is potential in anything but I feel like you guys are trying to say that the 3.8 is some amazing platform and I just dont think it is.

of course if you throw 20 psi at it with a built motor it will make power but I have not really come across anything special out of them or anything that cna be done cheap.

You cant tell me a m112 swap or blower would be cheaper than a vortech on a v8.

people piece together vortech kits for 1500 dollars.

the bracket for that m112 is like 1k?

 

[MadStang]

the 3.8 community died down in a big way a couple years ago. I got out of the game, a big player Mysteed is out of the game (at least on the Internet), and many other well known built v6's are gone. hell the idiot i sold my car to wrecked it so it's probably already been through the crusher....

 

[LilRoush]

I won't say it's cheaper to M112 a V6 than SC a V8 - but again, for the same year car, the price difference of the V6 to the GT and you can be putting down 4 cam power instead of 2V power. I'm not talking mod $$ per mod $$... I'm talking out the door price (car figured in). The last M112 kit I sold went to a guy in FL. I sold intake and blower for $500. $100 for injectors, $100 for bigger MAF $200 for fuel pump, $100 for misc install hardware and a $300 tune. That's roughly $1300 for what will be a blower set up than can put out as much as the stock bottom end can take.

Anyone who can't break 300 with the M112 swap is usually using the knock-off intakes that are copies of the real design. They suck for airflow and are usually trying to short cut it. That link you posted to Richard's silver Mach 1 look-a-like actually made 330 @ 6 psi when I came down to the shop (I flew down from MN to TX for it). That intake was the first I sold, and was on my car for awhile. All of my M112 intakes have made over 300 on stock motors when installed correctly - with some of the built motors going to 500. Not bad for a motor that sucks and a non-intercooled blower that people say sucks.

Just to compare, the non-intercooled SVO M112 set up for the 4.6L @ 6 psi made low 300 rwhp on the GTs.

 

[justinschmidt1]

I won't say it's cheaper to M112 a V6 than SC a V8 - but again, for the same year car, the price difference of the V6 to the GT and you can be putting down 4 cam power instead of 2V power. I'm not talking mod $$ per mod $$... I'm talking out the door price (car figured in). The last M112 kit I sold went to a guy in FL. I sold intake and blower for $500. $100 for injectors, $100 for bigger MAF $200 for fuel pump, $100 for misc install hardware and a $300 tune. That's roughly $1300 for what will be a blower set up than can put out as much as the stock bottom end can take.

Anyone who can't break 300 with the M112 swap is usually using the knock-off intakes that are copies of the real design. They suck for airflow and are usually trying to short cut it. That link you posted to Richard's silver Mach 1 look-a-like actually made 330 @ 6 psi when I came down to the shop (I flew down from MN to TX for it). That intake was the first I sold, and was on my car for awhile. All of my M112 intakes have made over 300 on stock motors when installed correctly - with some of the built motors going to 500. Not bad for a motor that sucks and a non-intercooled blower that people say sucks.

Just to compare, the non-intercooled SVO M112 set up for the 4.6L @ 6 psi made low 300 rwhp on the GTs.

Yea, I hear ya...but as another member noted, you could buy a 500 dollar fox body and build a badass motor and run 9s/10s all day for the same price. lol

There is always a cheaper/faster way.

This svo m112 kit you speak of, is that a NPI car?

Cause ive seen that on 2v PI 4.6s making 400 rwhp on like 9 psi


I remember mysteed lol.

And dyno numbers are great but how are these cars performing at the track?

 

[LilRoush]

I hear ya on the fox thing... I still trying to stick to comparing same year V6 vs GT.
The SVO M112 kit can be used on either. The 300 number is the NPI. To use it on the PI cars, you just need to use the NPI gaskets (at least that is my understanding of it).

 

[justinschmidt1]

I hear ya on the fox thing... I still trying to stick to comparing same year V6 vs GT.
The SVO M112 kit can be used on either. The 300 number is the NPI. To use it on the PI cars, you just need to use the NPI gaskets (at least that is my understanding of it).

lol, NPI should never have existed

 

[bottlefed97]

There is indeed always a cheaper/faster way, but in the end it all comes down to what YOU want lol.

I mean look at my car... If I never touched the cosmetics department and focused only on speed it would be a 9 second shitty looking car. But my car has a full black leather interior, perfect candy red paint, a nice powdercoated cage, full audio system, and it makes 500hp. It's my idea of the perfect stang, something you can cruise around town with your girl in, be comfortable and look good, and then go and run 10's at the track.

Just saying we're all different and it's what makes the world interesting.