Sn95 classic yet?

[Twista]

LOL, no.

 

[filthymcnasty]

Yes it is!

 

[Jgehret]

Well according to the Pennsylvania registration laws. A car must be 15 years old to be eligible for classic tags.

Hagerty insurance covers my 96 gt (modified car policy, full coverage, 3500 miles a year allotment, and $7500 agreed replacement value)

 

[Whistler98]

I don't know what they will ever reach value wise. But I think the sn will age very well. Some designs look bad as time go on but the sn seems to still look good when done right. When you lower these cars and put nice and wider wheels on them they look great.

 

[DropTopPony]

Driving to work yesterday I passed a used car dealer. They had a SN sitting next to a S197 and the newer car was huge next to the SN. Maybe our cars will hold value to those looking for a smaller car with less interference i.e.: traction control etc.

But I doubt the non SVT's will ever hold real long term value unless they are super low mile garage queens.

 

[5PointSnow]

I love these cars to death and think they will age well when taken care of but as far as being collectable or rare, other than svt's your clean gt even with really low miles probably won't grab big bucks in the future, there were just too many made. Yes the price will go up for a clean gt but not to collector levels.

Just look at the 60's mustangs, other than 64.5 and special models they're just not rare even though it's been 50 years you could still get a clean gt for a fairly low price.

At at the end of the day they're cars and are mean't to be driven. Personally I'd way rather do what I want with them and enjoy it than worrying about resale values and low miles.

 

[myk]

Keep in mind that 60's/70's muscle cars gained value and are what they are today because their generation came and went, with no real performance cars for almost 20 years. Nowadays, newer, faster, better muscle cars are being released all the time, so the buying public, who's accustomed to buying the newest, latest thing, won't have the need or the desire to think too much about older cars...

 

[WhiteGT]

I agree that most sn95's will never be valuable and the market will be limited to people who love them (on my 4th). On the other side 1995 was the last year of the original push rod V8 motor in a mustang. At car shows fox body guys don't like it when I point that out. I finally got another SN last year as both myself and the car have become old enough for collector car insurance (140 for the year is great)

 

[badsheep5.0]

I agree that most sn95's will never be valuable and the market will be limited to people who love them (on my 4th). On the other side 1995 was the last year of the original push rod V8 motor in a mustang. At car shows fox body guys don't like it when I point that out. I finally got another SN last year as both myself and the car have become old enough for collector car insurance (140 for the year is great)

This is what leads me to believe that the 94 and 95 will be the two years people will have there eye on

 

[Addermk2]

This is what leads me to believe that the 94 and 95 will be the two years people will have there eye on

The 94-95 will never be sought after by anyone other than those of us who already desire them. They were, and still are... nothing special.

 

[badsheep5.0]

No there are nothing special but I believe there will be a point when there more disirble and harder to find then the 4.6 sn95

 

[StreetPilot]

These Jelly Bean cars need a bunch of suspension work to turn or go fast, a bunch of engine work to make good power. To make them stand out, you have to put a lot of work into them. People like us that are willing to put in the time and money to make them fun are the only ones that are going to see that potential value. They can be made fast. They can be made pretty. They can be made fun. But they are not any of those things without work, and most people are pretty lazy these days.

Be that as it may, we are the ones willing to do that work. Even the '60's and early '70's cars that were plain janes in their time have been made to look and run better than the best cars that you could buy back then. Jelly Bean cars are in that category. We make them what they can be.

 

[LaserRed95GT]

My .02

Some people try and compare the Mustang II to the first gen sn95 which is total BS in my opinion being that the mustang II gen suffered from shitty everything, from suspension to poor engine (due to oil crisis) blah blah blah. etc.
So let's not compare two totally different cars that were branded the same. You'll have MUCH better luck comparing it to a foxbody or even a 1st gen when being realistic and not trying to just talk shit about the platform.
I've also heard commonly on internet articles regurgitating the one that preceded it that the 94-95 is a red headed step child or that the 96-98 is a red headed step child (never the whole first gen body style sn95 94-98 for some stupid reason). This probably due to more and more regurgitation of this 'clever' reference that people couldn't consistently refer to the 5.0s or the 4.6s.

Anyways, it's a time thing, sure the mustang II is no desired or high priced car but that doesn't mean it sets the fate of the 94-98 generation.

Consider this, the Cobra Badges first started in 93 on the fox (reinstated that is) and then mass produced starting with the 94 year. Sure the 94-95 cobras powers are turd like but the Cobra already nearly doubles the value compared to a GT model, even more so when looking at the 96-98 years (300 horsepower! whaaaaaat, that's just sick for this time frame!).

This generation I think is the best of both worlds honestly, the 95 with its near trademark identification as the "last year of the 5.0" remains intact even with the new coyote motors. And then the generation even owns the introduction of the modular 4.6 which certainty spiced the racing world when it came about (not that I was there, I was hardly born, but I read a **** ton and am I die hard for my 95 and sn95).

Not to mention all the rare styles, roush, saleen, again cobra, cobra r (even if there are only 250), and I'm sure im forgetting some special things. These are simply feeders to how great this generation of mustang actually is.

Oh, did I mention the suspension? all around disc brakes, larger sway bars, better wheel geometry, etc etc. than any preceding mustang. From factory, that still sounds more appealing to me and many others than a light weight foxbody that REALLY can't turn for shit (in stock trim) or brake for that matter. Believe me on the braking, I've owned a fox and had a near heart attack when I was standing on the brakes and could hardly keep the car on the road because it wouldn't slow down quick enough.

So my conclusion. Though this generation isn't worth much right now at 20 years old but they are still far more desirable than mustangs from 74-86 and even up through till I think 89 when they converted to MAF from speed density (which is what is really desired for most people). If it were the 80s or even early 90s right now and you looked at a first gen you would've been able to pick up for what our generation is worth now. Give it atleast another 10 years to truly reach legal classic status and 20 to expect a return on your car and have desirability by the general public and not us true car enthusiasts. I'd even go on to speculate that our cars will have more desirability in body style alone compared to a foxbody.

Edit: [MENTION=10708]StreetPilot[/MENTION] I disagree with some of your statements dude. Suspension is top of the line for the era and again for any previous mustang. They don't actually require a lot of money to be made 'fast' all you need is a 13 second car to keep up with most things which can be done cheaply and under a grand or for a grand to achieve a goal like this. And this is all from the standpoint as a car enthusiast rather than someone who was looking to buy a collectible.

Your second paragraph is spot on though!

 

[JKady]

Driving to work yesterday I passed a used car dealer. They had a SN sitting next to a S197 and the newer car was huge next to the SN. Maybe our cars will hold value to those looking for a smaller car with less interference i.e.: traction control etc.

But I doubt the non SVT's will ever hold real long term value unless they are super low mile garage queens.

I couldn't believe the size difference the first time I parked next to a 197. Starting work at a Ford dealer on Monday, will have to see if I can sneak a pic of my bucket next to a 2015.

 

[StreetPilot]

...Suspension is top of the line for the era and again for any previous mustang.

True, but that doesn't make them classic, or even qualify as "good". The reality is that it's still an archaic stick axle with a four link suspension, and the Macpherson strut layout up front was outdated ten years before any of these cars hit the market. I suppose if the term "outdated" could be a synonym for "classic", then it certainly qualifies. I apologize if it seems like I'm disagreeing for the sake of argument, but I just don't think that they're that great from the factory. Then again, neither were the first gen '60's Mustangs which I absolutely consider classics. I guess the best part about these cars is the fact that they are so upgradeable that they're worth building into something really cool, and that ability to customize and keep an old car moving forward with modern technology is what keeps the older cars interesting, perhaps lending a great deal to their lasting 'classic' status. Sorry if I'm going off on a tangent here.

They don't actually require a lot of money to be made 'fast' all you need is a 13 second car to keep up with most things which can be done cheaply and under a grand or for a grand to achieve a goal like this.

I suppose in general I tend to think more along the lines of making it go around a track with corners 'fast', and I'm guessing you were thinking straight line. I sometimes forget that most guys just want it to get up and go, and I respect that everyone is entitled to their preference. The wide swath of variety is what makes the aftermarket for these cars so sustainable. I don't think that a grand is going to get anyone all that much with these cars. We could all probably go on the web and spend $25K for our cars in 15 minutes or less (insert bad GEICO ad here). However, your definition of fast is likely different than mine and I respect that.

 

[LaserRed95GT]

True, but that doesn't make them classic, or even qualify as "good". The reality is that it's still an archaic stick axle with a four link suspension, and the Macpherson strut layout up front was outdated ten years before any of these cars hit the market. I suppose if the term "outdated" could be a synonym for "classic", then it certainly qualifies. I apologize if it seems like I'm disagreeing for the sake of argument, but I just don't think that they're that great from the factory. Then again, neither were the first gen '60's Mustangs which I absolutely consider classics. I guess the best part about these cars is the fact that they are so upgradeable that they're worth building into something really cool, and that ability to customize and keep an old car moving forward with modern technology is what keeps the older cars interesting, perhaps lending a great deal to their lasting 'classic' status. Sorry if I'm going off on a tangent here.

Bit of a late reply but you're right that it wasn't that modern when it was first new in 94 (the sn95 that is) but you're also right that the first gen mustangs have much worse handling suspension in comparison. But that's just my point, the suspension is superior (slightly) to any predecessor and is adequate all the way through 04 (with the exception of the IRS on the cobra which is fancy but honestly I prefer my stick axle). By those means you can have a 5.0 or a 4.6 to modernize for near the same if not the same money as a foxbody currently. This is simply my argument point why the sn95 wont fail to obtain classic status. And if the sn95 fails to obtain classic status by some miracle then the foxbody will fall short just the same. If anyone wants to contest that the foxbody is better, that's fine, but you better stick to your guns and only mention weight difference and the slightly more power from factory (which is really a moot point since people are going to build these cars however they want).

Also your tangent isn't far off or anything, it's still relevant. Lol.

I suppose in general I tend to think more along the lines of making it go around a track with corners 'fast', and I'm guessing you were thinking straight line. I sometimes forget that most guys just want it to get up and go, and I respect that everyone is entitled to their preference. The wide swath of variety is what makes the aftermarket for these cars so sustainable. I don't think that a grand is going to get anyone all that much with these cars. We could all probably go on the web and spend $25K for our cars in 15 minutes or less (insert bad GEICO ad here). However, your definition of fast is likely different than mine and I respect that.

Actually I'm partial to a track and cornering (why else to have a gay 4 cylinder integra ) than straight lines, but the quarter is just as fun.
But I stand by my argument that stock for stock your sn95 will out handle any previous mustang based off of suspension alone. If someone has a comparison for these two cars on a track feel free to post up! But really, I've driven a foxbody (twas a 92' 5.0) and it had awful body roll, terrible braking, quick out the corners, and didn't seem to be planted all that firm. I hardly felt like I was in control of the car and it scared the **** out of me. My sn95 never made me feel like it was going to flip a circle from cornering hard (which it has but even when it did I still felt way more in control of the car).

I see your mentioning aftermarket parts a lot, and of course either car could be built to drive and handle better than the other, but if we bring in that variable then there's just too much to consider. And yes, I could spend 20+grand on just suspension/chassis stiffening and not flinch. Lol.

And as far as the what will 1 grand get you, and typically not much. When I say that you can do a lot with that I'm referring to someone who has a completely stock near mint (again, think stock) mustang. If you have squeaky this, worn that, tired internals, etc etc. then of course you're going to sink 5 grand collectively in just keeping the car on the road (been there, done that). BUT if you have a cool thousand in your pocket and your car doesn't need any repairs or what have you then you could have a car that will either handle decently or a car that makes 250hp to even 300 if you cut out all labors and shop around enough.
If you don't do your own labors, your ****ing up and need to learn to do some basic car mechanics. I mean hell, swapping a starter is considered difficult by your regular parts store. To me that's a couple hours work without a proper lift and proper tools.


Finally, we probably have same idea of what a fast car is but I think it really deals with purpose in mind before we can decide what our definition of fast is. To me, and to that guy with a grand in his pocket, they probably just want to beat out the Honda boys consistently which I'll state one last time, is totally possible on the 'cheap.'
But you really need the car to be fully done up from suspension to engine to transmission to chassis to be a truly fast car (referring to cars making 700+ hp at this point).

 

[glockshooter]

in illinois anything older than 25yrs is a classic

 

[mcglsr2]

The 94-95 will never be sought after by anyone other than those of us who already desire them. They were, and still are... nothing special.

^ Unfortunately, this. Let's be honest. Apart from ourselves, very few people in the world give a crap about these cars. They will not be collectors items. Sure, maybe a handful people of people with too much money *may* want to buy one for nostalgic reasons or something. But I seriously doubt we'll see a SN95 in 30 years fetching anything remotely close to $80K. Unless there are some people on this forum socking away tons of money for that day in the far future where they can choose to throw $80K down for that mint cherry garage-kept all original 95 GT, it just isn't going to happen. Fellas, drive your SN95's. Enjoy them. Beat on them. Thrash them. Mod the shite out of them. Get your money's worth. Ferrari Dino's these are not.

 

[JerZeyStangz]

Time to flex my knowledge! hmmm where do I start...

Its all speculation right now if this generation model will fetch some nice coin and I really think it will. Laser brought up some good points that our generation has some interesting combinations. The 94-95 had the 5.0's and the 96-98 had the NPI 4.6's, the 98's had returnless style fuel system and horizontal exhaust hangers. They also changed the interior after 97 to almost one color except for the dash, and the 94's had the porno red interior lol. They also stopped making the side fender vents near the door functional after 95, also in 1996 they went from tribar wheels to split spokes, and in 1996 split spokes only came in alloy color after 96 they made them polished. They also removed the clock pod in 98 for a smoother dash look. I am probably missing a whole bunch of other stuff but you really do not know what your going to get and lets not forget about the 248a package that had no power anything! Time will only tell if these cars will start picking up in prices but as of right now keep modding them, driving them, and racing them! my 2 cents.

 

[mcglsr2]

Time to flex my knowledge! hmmm where do I start...

Its all speculation right now if this generation model will fetch some nice coin and I really think it will. Laser brought up some good points that our generation has some interesting combinations. The 94-95 had the 5.0's and the 96-98 had the NPI 4.6's, the 98's had returnless style fuel system and horizontal exhaust hangers. They also changed the interior after 97 to almost one color except for the dash, and the 94's had the porno red interior lol. They also stopped making... etc. (I added the etc.)

I know you are just listing off stuff - but that's kind of my point. Nobody cares about all that stuff. None of that is special. Don't get me wrong, it is to us, but to the general public, I really don't think in 20 years they are going to care which had a return-less fuel system and which did away with functional side scoops. So I have a really hard time seeing these cars fetching a lot of coin in the future.