Starting issue

matholland · Jun 27, 2011

theres a line on 0 and line on 10, both ways do the same thing, whether the gun is on 10 and using the 0* mark, or the 0 on the gun and 10* mark..i have my balancer marked on 0 and 10...timing is set i've used this gun to set the timing on it plenty of times before

toyman · Jun 28, 2011

Okay, is the balancer coming apart? Can you feel or see any rubber between the hub and outer ring on the engine side? If there is, the HB is shot and you cannot get a true reading.

matholland · Jun 28, 2011

Balancer was replaced by previous owner...i checked and i can feel the lip of the rubber on the engine side..is that a bad thing?

matholland · Jun 29, 2011

well i said f*ck it and took my spout out and left it out..set it to 25* its not spark knockin so im leaving it..runs great..just need to figure out why when you first start it it will die unless you keep it running, go right down the rd then its fine...this happenes when it is warm...not when its cold and i first start it...already replaced iac and that wasnt it so idk

rz5.0 · Jun 29, 2011

No that's not the way to fix it its there for a reason. It will cost you more in the long run

matholland · Jun 29, 2011

well no ones coming up with anything that works

toyman · Jun 30, 2011

matholland said:
Balancer was replaced by previous owner...i checked and i can feel the lip of the rubber on the engine side..is that a bad thing?

YES. You should not feel any rubber. Recently replaced or not any rubber that can be felt is a bad sign. This probably explains the timing issue. If the outer ring has moved the timing marks have no relevance.

matholland · Jun 30, 2011

It has also had like a miss too it since I have got it...whole motor will shake...could this be that problem then? What brand would you suggest?

matholland · Jun 30, 2011

Went to autozone, and got one....pulled my old one, it was bad, i could tell once i pulled it off, but it didn't fix anything at all....still shakes at idle enough to where you can see it in the shifter, and feel it, and see the motor shake....still have the starting problem, and still cant use the chip.

matholland · Jul 1, 2011

Well I drove the car a 128 mile round trip today. Check engine light flashed a few times, got home and read them..heres the numbers i got..

113
157
158
172
173
176
177
212
332

my egr vacuum lines are disconnected so i know thats the reason for one of the codes...

I cleaned my MAF the other day, prior to that I never got a MAF code...it had a little carbon build up on the side terminals...don't want to replace it unless i know thats what is causing my startup problem...i got a buddy that is gonna let me use the one off his car to check..

I just replaced the 02 sensors...no codes prior to that before i replaced them, i just went ahead and bought new ones and installed them....why are they showing up lean/rich..i think thats what a cpl of those mean..

spout is out, and timing is set at 23*..cant get it to run otherwise

matholland · Jul 2, 2011

Used my buddys MAF, and same think, that didn't fix anything so i swapped back.

toyman · Jul 2, 2011

Something is absolutely wrong with the timing. Borrow and use a different timing light. Base timing spec is 10* and you can usually bump that to about 14* without pre-ignition (pinging) under load. The PCM can advance timing about 26* above the base for a total of 36*.

matholland · Jul 2, 2011

not the gun, tried my buddys gun and it was the same ordeal.

rz5.0 · Jul 2, 2011

try re stabing the distributor

toyman · Jul 2, 2011

What edge are you looking at on the timing pointer? It should be the long straight edge. On a recent post elsewhere the OP was looking at the edge where the semi-circle is and couldn't understand why the car was running poorly. Just a thought.

matholland · Jul 3, 2011

restabbed it twice, had a ex mechanic watch me to it just to make sure i wasn't doing anything wrong...I put it at TDC on compression stroke on number 1...marked number 1 with a paint marker, and made the rotor go to that line....

on 2nd thought..i will try to restab it since I got a new harmonic balancer, because like everyone said..if it was off then i could be a tooth off....thanks..will try that tomorrow and let you know.

rz5.0 · Jul 3, 2011

Been there I did the same mistske when I first got my stang.

matholland · Jul 5, 2011

now that i have checked for like the 5th time...distributor is stabbed right, its not a tooth off, the harmonic balancer didnt change anything i still cant put my chip it, it still dont want to start right..dont make since that my old distributor revved fine with the chip in and this one dont.