update turns over but won't start?

ba#97 · Dec 21, 2012

also...on this note...I have decided that at some point in the future i want to go to a carb setup....anyone know how expensive that swap is and how difficult it is/what it entails?

BigBore96 · Dec 21, 2012

ba#97 said:
ok...so here's the deal so far. it's a roll cage shop that so even though it's messed up on them...I'm not holding them to it because they don't have the ability to do it. stanger banger...we've met before so if you pm me your # we can talk more. ok so the car....checked inertia switch and it was fine, car seems to be getting fuel....not spark, pulled a plug wire and put another plug in it...didn't get anything. the msd ignition box is getting power....BUT seems that where it supplies power to the coil it loses it where the wires splice out to the coil and to the factory ignition. if you guys are following me. Car has a new dizzy, new coil, new ignition module from the issues i had before. they said that it died mid moving it around after running for about a minute. I had this issue before where it would do that. replaced the dizzy after the coil and ignition module and it was fine for a few months till now. I'm not sure where else to go with it. when i hook up the factory ignition to the coil and take the msd box out of the equation still no start. I'm thinking i might just remove the msd setup completely as it didn't make a huge difference anyways. i'm not making huge #'s or anything. if i do that...it's just connecting all the factory ignition back up and finding the issue causing no spark and it should be good hopefully right?

Correct. I've never noticed a difference with an MSD box. More problems than anything with mine in the past.

Also, why switch to a carb setup? It's not a performance increase and you'll dump money into just the swap. For those carb fan boys, I know people make power off of switching to them. But 95% of the time it's because they go from a crap fuel injected intake to a flowing carb intake.

As far as doing the swap, I don't know prices anymore as I stick to modular stuff now. but the swap is straight forward. Remove old intake/fuel/etc. Replace with carb style.

The hardest part will be jetting the carb appropriately.

ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

mostly the idea is so I don't have to deal with this ignition bullshit that i am so tired of dealing with on this car. right now i'm just gonna get rid of that msd and go from there.

Mrstangerbanger · Dec 22, 2012

Were is the car located at I will fix it for the Msd ?? Call me Or text im still up 530 312 0246 Derek I can fix it

The Msd is not helping you at all so I will drive to your car as long as its no farther then sac all bring all my goodies and get it diagnosed and fixed ?? Let me know I have details all day tomorrow but can come after that or Sunday just text me.

Also I have a stock distributor and coil and ccrm so I can bring them and I have mostly everything if needed ..
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toyman · Dec 22, 2012

Was the distributer a new one or a reman? Remans are known for having the PIP (Hall Effect Sensor) fail as the old one may pass on the initial test and then fail shortly thereafter.

ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

hm...i think it might be a remanned one honestly. and derek i will give you a call...most likely it would be next weekend and i wouldn't mind your help as long as you show me whats up and how to work the deal. so i can get some more experience. and yeah i want that msd gone so yeah. car is in placerville right now though so that's a bit away. so if I don't get it running by next week then I will have to tow it back here and then let ya know whats up. thanks for the help.

ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

on a side note....when i do get this piece of shit running....I can't wait to take it to the track now because the momo seats, g force harnesses and half cage are very very badass.

Mrstangerbanger · Dec 22, 2012

How much was the cage installed ?

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RichV · Dec 22, 2012

I would probably verify the distributor as well, you could have shredded a gear, or the PIP is toast. It can be the TFI as well, although I dunno how the MSD interfaces to this stuff. Not sure if what they're telling you about it dying is true or not, they still may have fried some electronics while working on it.

Carb FTL, EFI is much better all around. It can be frustrating, but figure a systematic troubleshooting method and you'll find the issue.

Have fun on track! One step closer to race car.

eleanor95 · Dec 22, 2012

Did the new dizzy have a brass or hardened gear? If not it is possible the roller cam destroyed it andnow it will not make contact with the cam.

ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

i'm not sure what kind of gear it had. didn't think to look at it before I installed it. it lasted a decent amount of autocrosses before it was gone. as for the cage cost...he owed me for stuff so he did the cage, seats and harnesses. so....idk the exact amount really. lol. i will get some pics up when i get the car back and running. can't wait to get it going again. as for the msd...i'm officially pulling it...it's just another step in the trouble shooting process and for the minimal gain i get out of it...not worth it.

ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

richv man i can't wait to get this things running and get it on the track...i'm jonesing for some racing now that the autox season is over.

Mrstangerbanger · Dec 22, 2012

I'm sure you can fix it after I show u what's wrong but your basically paying me to diagnose the car with the equipment I paid over 5 grand for lol .. But I am crazy busy with my business so I would need 2 or 3 day heads up first and cash will work also ..

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ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

you have to be more specific on what I'm paying you with? idk what you mean? lol. for parts to fix it or something? I would give you a heads up. I'm in no insane rush....i have all next week off starting saturday. heopfully get the car going before then but i will let you know.

97FloridaGT · Dec 22, 2012

Fuel injection is easy.....eliminate the med and go from there. If you're getting no spark, it's the PIP or the TFI. www.oldfuelinjection.com

Mrstangerbanger · Dec 22, 2012

ba#97 said:
you have to be more specific on what I'm paying you with? idk what you mean? lol. for parts to fix it or something? I would give you a heads up. I'm in no insane rush....i have all next week off starting saturday. heopfully get the car going before then but i will let you know.[/QUOTE

I was saying cash or the msd im super busy so I really don't have time I'm just trying to help let me know I'm in no rush either lol

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ba#97 · Dec 22, 2012

yeah you already know cuz I texted you.

RichV · Dec 22, 2012

ba#97 said:
richv man i can't wait to get this things running and get it on the track...i'm jonesing for some racing now that the autox season is over.

You and me both brotha!