V6 vs V8 Debate.. No bashing, straight up conversation.

[justinschmidt1]

1300, thats like the cost of the whole car

 

[D3VST8R96GT]

I could spend 1300 just in parts not including housing + labor/welding.

The D3V

 

[Orange 94]

I found my 8.8 in a garage sale down the street lol.

 

[twovalveterror]

I sold my old broken 8.8 for 100, and it was gone as soon as I put it up. brakes, suspension, everything that matters to the driving dynamics is different in the GT's. not that you wouldn't upgrade it anyways, but if you're trying to make a value argument know that it doesn't hold much weight. my motor is 90% done and I have 1500 in it (you're m112 that will get you to 350), and I went the NA stupid stubborn and expensive route.

and my NPI bone stock heavy ass vert went 14.9s consistently. shitty driving is not a valid argument here.

 

[Orange 94]

The stock gt parts aren't worth much... Just find a parts car to pull some of those parts if you actually want them.

My m112 was $500 I believe.

You have to take into account the price difference of buying a v6 vs gt... There's a huge difference in my area...

 

[justinschmidt1]

I sold my old broken 8.8 for 100, and it was gone as soon as I put it up. brakes, suspension, everything that matters to the driving dynamics is different in the GT's. not that you wouldn't upgrade it anyways, but if you're trying to make a value argument know that it doesn't hold much weight. my motor is 90% done and I have 1500 in it (you're m112 that will get you to 350), and I went the NA stupid stubborn and expensive route.

and my NPI bone stock heavy ass vert went 14.9s consistently. shitty driving is not a valid argument here.

Yep, agreed. The value argument is stupid to me and doesnt hold any weight from what I can see.

As far as the price of the actual car goes, I dont even think thats a good point anymore considering how cheap all of the older mustangs are.

Like I said to Jeremy last night in a PM, you could find a v8 with a little more miles for less $$ than V6 lol

Just for example, let me list the first 4 2002 Mustangs that pop up on craigslist in my area.


2002 V6 auto, 155k miles, $4500
2002 GT, 137k miles, $4000
2002 GT 97k miles, $7000 ( lots of mods, bolt ons, wheels, clutch)
2002 V6 82k miles, $6100


Now obviously this only represents a very small part of the market...but the point is there really isnt that huge if a price difference and its pretty easy to find a GT for less $$$ than a V6 that might have a little less mileage on the car.

Now if 99-04 Gts were consistantly bringing 10-15k and v6s were steady in the 5-10k range you guys might have an argument...but from what I can see these older mustangs dont have much of a price gap between a GT and V6.

The price gap I see certainly isnt enough to justify going V6 and building the whole car to beat stock V8s if you ask me.

 

[the5.ohh]

Yep, agreed. The value argument is stupid to me and doesnt hold any weight from what I can see.

As far as the price of the actual car goes, I dont even think thats a good point anymore considering how cheap all of the older mustangs are.

Like I said to Jeremy last night in a PM, you could find a v8 with a little more miles for less $$ than V6 lol

Just for example, let me list the first 4 2002 Mustangs that pop up on craigslist in my area.


2002 V6 auto, 155k miles, $4500
2002 GT, 137k miles, $4000
2002 GT 97k miles, $7000 ( lots of mods, bolt ons, wheels, clutch)
2002 V6 82k miles, $6100


Now obviously this only represents a very small part of the market...but the point is there really isnt that huge if a price difference and its pretty easy to find a GT for less $$$ than a V6 that might have a little less mileage on the car.

Now if 99-04 Gts were consistantly bringing 10-15k and v6s were steady in the 5-10k range you guys might have an argument...but from what I can see these older mustangs dont have much of a price gap between a GT and V6.

The price gap I see certainly isnt enough to justify going V6 and building the whole car to beat stock V8s if you ask me.

I'm with ya dude. Maybe when they first came out, but now V6's and Gt's go for around the same. And don't give me the V6s are better on crap bs, they suck just like GT's

 

[Orange 94]

My area seems to look like:

GT 7-8k for 150k km (94-98)
V6 3-4K for 150 or less km (94-98)


There's always good deals, but that looks like the average price.


With like $4000 difference I could do a lot of damage...





But for me it really isn't what I can make faster for cheaper. I did the 4.2 swap and my build was costly.

 

[the5.ohh]

Prime example to what [MENTION=8889]justinschmidt1[/MENTION] wrote. My sisters boyfriend has a 2006 V6. He has bought the following, I will include prices for each thing, labor and total it up.
K&N cai- $280.99
BBK 70MM Throttlebody- $319.99
SCT Tuner- $379.99
Motive 4.10 Gears- $169.99 (Posi and gears- 500 in labor)
Auburn Posi- $474.99 (included above)
Pacesetter Longtubes- $234.99 (800 for labor)
Pypes Offroad X Pipe- $204.99 (labor included with longtubes)
Pype Bombs AxleBacks- $339.99
FRPP Bullitt Axlebacks- $349.99 (250 for install- Shop raped him.. 3 weeks later we put his pype bombs back on in an hour...)
Pacesetter Offroad H Pipe- $139.99 (300 including making true duals)
JBA Catted H Pipe- $449.99 (150 for install)
TCI Ratchet Shifter- $499.99

So the total for all the parts and labor he spent to make the car just as fast as my 19 year old stock motor 5.0 is
$5,695.88 -- And it is still slow as hell.. Almost 6K into a V6 and it got him no where, he's had a million different exhausts, and did all the bolt ons, gears, rear end.. Thats an insane amount of money to spend to be just as quick as a dated old auto 5.0..

 

[kb1982]

I would love to have a v6 as long as it came with one of these. Im suprised it took so long for the manufacturers to revive the concept like Ford has done with the ecoboost. I seen a x275 GN running mid to low 4's in the 1/8 this weekend. Damn if it didnt sound like a v8 until the sound of the turbo drown out the exhaust.

 

[Orange 94]

Prime example to what justinschmidt1 wrote. My sisters boyfriend has a 2006 V6. He has bought the following, I will include prices for each thing, labor and total it up.
K&N cai- $280.99
BBK 70MM Throttlebody- $319.99
SCT Tuner- $379.99
Motive 4.10 Gears- $169.99 (Posi and gears- 500 in labor)
Auburn Posi- $474.99 (included above)
Pacesetter Longtubes- $234.99 (800 for labor)
Pypes Offroad X Pipe- $204.99 (labor included with longtubes)
Pype Bombs AxleBacks- $339.99
FRPP Bullitt Axlebacks- $349.99 (250 for install- Shop raped him.. 3 weeks later we put his pype bombs back on in an hour...)
Pacesetter Offroad H Pipe- $139.99 (300 including making true duals)
JBA Catted H Pipe- $449.99 (150 for install)
TCI Ratchet Shifter- $499.99

So the total for all the parts and labor he spent to make the car just as fast as my 19 year old stock motor 5.0 is
$5,695.88 -- And it is still slow as hell.. Almost 6K into a V6 and it got him no where, he's had a million different exhausts, and did all the bolt ons, gears, rear end.. Thats an insane amount of money to spend to be just as quick as a dated old auto 5.0..

holy fack!
Who spends that much on pointless mods lol.

 

[the5.ohh]

holy fack!
Who spends that much on pointless mods lol.

That's what I'm saying. He could go spend 5k on a high mileage new edge GT, and it would destroy his car with like 30k invested in it, between the actual purchasing of the car, performance crap, body mods, wheels etc.. My boy took me for a ride in his pretty much full bolt on new edge 5 speed GT, that thing hauled ass compared to mine. I made my sisters bf hop in and go for a ride, he got out and told me, Joe that's not even fast its just cause its stick. facepalm..

 

[LilRoush]

The 2006 V6 is a great example of someone wasting money b/c they didn't know what they were doing.

There is usually a $1500-2000 price difference between V6 and GT for the SN95 cars. For that cost you can throw a blower on the car and be faster than a GT for the same amount. A stock GT isn't that much of a goal to beat in the power department. They aren't exactly high end performance cars.

 

[the5.ohh]

The 2006 V6 is a great example of someone wasting money b/c they didn't know what they were doing.

There is usually a $1500-2000 price difference between V6 and GT for the SN95 cars. For that cost you can throw a blower on the car and be faster than a GT for the same amount. A stock GT isn't that much of a goal to beat in the power department. They aren't exactly high end performance cars.

Agreed 100%. Now he bought a Xcharger xtreme stage 2 blower.. Another 8k in parts and labor.

 

[justinschmidt1]

The 2006 V6 is a great example of someone wasting money b/c they didn't know what they were doing.

There is usually a $1500-2000 price difference between V6 and GT for the SN95 cars. For that cost you can throw a blower on the car and be faster than a GT for the same amount. A stock GT isn't that much of a goal to beat in the power department. They aren't exactly high end performance cars.

This is accurate id say as far as price...however i still think theres a lot more cost involved in boosting a car. Lots of little parts add up.

Fuel, maf, tune doin the rear, etc.

Like i said earlier, it can probably be done on the cheap if you do your shopping right and know your shit but it seems like the average person could spend 3-4k easily boosting the car and doing the rear conservatively.

But yes, a sn95 gt sure isnt much if anything to beat lol

 

[justinschmidt1]

holy fack!
Who spends that much on pointless mods lol.

It only happens like 99% of the time. Very few people actually take the smart route and spend their money where it counts. People love worthless bolt.ons

 

[D3VST8R96GT]

It only happens like 99% of the time. Very few people actually take the smart route and spend their money where it counts. People love worthless bolt.ons

V8 or v6 doesn't discriminate


Fuzzy dice look good

The D3V

 

[justinschmidt1]

V8 or v6 doesn't discriminate


Fuzzy dice look good

The D3V

Same story with the v8s for sure lol

 

[the5.ohh]

It only happens like 99% of the time. Very few people actually take the smart route and spend their money where it counts. People love worthless bolt.ons

This is true.. If I would've known what I know now when I first got the car. All I woulda done is a midpipe, mufflers, and gears. Cai, tb, maf, not worth it.

 

[Steven]

Call me arrogant but in the newer modular car department, I won't own anything but the most high performance versions of cars anymore. It's not worth the time or money to mess with the plain v8 car or a v6 car. If I bought a new mustang it'd be the GT500, if I bought a camaro it'd be ZL1 or Z28 all day. If I bought a vette it'd be a Z06.