Which Performance Heads???

96StangGT · Mar 8, 2009

I'm lookin to buy some new heads in the near future (b/c just P.I aren't cutting it) but am not sure which heads to buy to get the most horse power gains...i was thinkin Stage 3 Patriot Performance heads?!?! :dontknow: Any ideas?!?!

Mr Jones 4.6 · Mar 9, 2009

Fox Lake or Livernois or Boss 330

navarro98gt · Mar 9, 2009

Hold off for the new Trick Flow heads.

bigjohnson4.6gt · Mar 9, 2009

why not just have yours ported and polished?

MustangChris · Mar 9, 2009

P&P PIs...

i wouldnt touch patriot with a 10 foot stick... dont get thier products.

i would look into a good P&P job... i have a contact if you're not affraid to send them in the mail...

anyone got any info on the new trickflows?

bigjohnson4.6gt · Mar 9, 2009

i forget the name of the place, its the one dalamar got his top end kit from, they port and polish, then flowbench test the heads. Shoot him a pm, they do them at good prices too

navarro98gt · Mar 9, 2009

MustangChris said:
anyone got any info on the new trickflows?

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121612

MustangChris · Mar 9, 2009

why thank you my good sir

Outlaw97GT · Mar 9, 2009

Like said, hold off for the Trickflows. Looks like they are building us a good head.

As for Patriot, their product are great. Yes they had problems with the 4.6 heads when it came out, but they fixed the problem within 5 month and made right with the people that had the smokey heads. Oh and this was 5+ years ago... 90% of the interweb bashers as never had or known somebody that has used Patriot parts.

Anyway I have seen their products first hand and I would use them with no hesitation. And this is not meant to piss anyone off or point at one person, I see this on all the forums and just felt like throwing my opinion out there...lol
Its just a rumor that has grown into a giant over the years. But being in the parts business also I bet this is why their parts are cheaper for us 4.6 ppl because for the LS ppl they are about the same as everybody else.

NERD · Mar 10, 2009

Patriot Stage 3's need a .020 overbore for valve clearance. I have a brand new in the box set of stage 2's with a head change kit FS in that section for $1450.

MustangChris · Mar 10, 2009

my friend threw in a set of stage 2 patriot... on the test drive around his neighborhood he bent vlaves... took off a vlave cover and he had cracked springs too....... the FIRST drive... ... ..

yea, you use them with no hesitation. i wont ;-) lol.

NERD · Mar 10, 2009

MustangChris said:
my friend threw in a set of stage 2 patriot... on the test drive around his neighborhood he bent vlaves... took off a vlave cover and he had cracked springs too....... the FIRST drive... ... ..

yea, you use them with no hesitation. i wont ;-) lol.

I heard all the negatives about Patriot heads but I couldn't turn down the price. When I got my heads, I took them to my Machine shop and had them tested. Everything looked great and even the MS said they've really stepped up their heads in the last couple years. Which is probably why their prices have gone up.

MustangChris · Mar 10, 2009

good.

i dont wish any harm on anyone... . ... .but id feel bad watching you guys put on parts that i personally question... thats all... if you guys were running sand through your gas tank, i would speak up too...

i mean, if your personal experience was the heads blowing on a test run, wouldnt you speak up too?

NERD · Mar 10, 2009

MustangChris said:
good. i dont wish any harm on anyone... . ... .but id feel bad watching you guys put on parts that i personally question... thats all... if you guys were running sand through your gas tank, i would speak up too...

i mean, if your personal experience was the heads blowing on a test run, wouldnt you speak up too?

Absolutely, i don't fault you. I live by the Reagan moto "Trust but Verify". I trusted their price but I verified it's quality. :0)

MustangChris · Mar 10, 2009

i miss reagan... :-( today obama legalized embryonic stem cell research... we're off to a bad start......

justinschmidt1 · Mar 10, 2009

MustangChris said:
i miss reagan... :-( today obama legalized embryonic stem cell research... we're off to a bad start......

Why is that even a bad thing?

I thought that shit could like regrow organs for people and shit ...lol

Outlaw97GT · Mar 10, 2009

MustangChris said:
my friend threw in a set of stage 2 patriot... on the test drive around his neighborhood he bent vlaves... took off a vlave cover and he had cracked springs too....... the FIRST drive... ... ..

yea, you use them with no hesitation. i wont ;-) lol.

Lets take a step out of the box and think of all that could of caused that. Hmm
1. Timing off
2. Cam plates not torqued correctly
3. Cam not lubed correctly at install
4. Over-rev during break in
5. Just blame the heads, its easier
I bet 75% of my warranty returns at work are from DIYers screwing them up during install.

DropTopPony · Mar 11, 2009

Outlaw97GT said:
MustangChris said:

my friend threw in a set of stage 2 patriot... on the test drive around his neighborhood he bent vlaves... took off a vlave cover and he had cracked springs too....... the FIRST drive... ... ..

yea, you use them with no hesitation. i wont ;-) lol.

Click to expand...

Lets take a step out of the box and think of all that could of caused that. Hmm
1. Timing off
2. Cam plates not torqued correctly
3. Cam not lubed correctly at install
4. Over-rev during break in
5. Just blame the heads, its easier
I bet 75% of my warranty returns at work are from DIYers screwing them up during install.

I have to agree, alot of the issues i seen early on were people installing the heads with a set of cams and not degreeing them in causing PTV. They did have issues with QC for a bit but lots of the problems were poor installation that they still stood behind and sent out new heads etc.