Detonation... Still.

Addermk2 · May 13, 2011

seriously need to get with the times, and never mention that abomination ever again... the Tweecer is a waste of retail advertising.

Matt94GT · May 13, 2011

Tweecer is old school, I had one at one point and everything about it was old, and difficult ended up selling it. Defiantly way out dated.

Craig is a super nice person over there as well:
http://www.moates.net/quarterhorse-for-fords-p-199.html

He was a sponsor at one time check out this thread for some discussion on the quarter horse:
http://sn95forums.com/index.php/topic,35341.0.html

There are also lots of good videos on youtube.

Insayne · May 13, 2011

I just did some research and I won't be talking about the twEECer anymore lol. The QH sounds great. Just dunno if I'd get a wide band kit and I'm clearly new to self tuning.

Addermk2 · May 13, 2011

if its something you have never touched before, it would be a good idea to let someone else do the work for you.

meaning, go see a professional

Insayne · May 14, 2011

I'm sure I could get a fair hold on it but I will most definitely go to a professional

russ8825 · May 14, 2011

I was in the same boat thinking about either getting the moates or a tune and decided I'm gonna get it tuned and chipped by a pro. The cost of the moates goes up after you have to get the wideband and plus theres the time its gonna take for you to actually get the car's tune to where you want it. For a combo that doesn't involve a blower/turbo its better to go get it tuned in one shot and be done with it so you can actually drive the car. IMO

Insayne · May 16, 2011

Good points. I can see it both ways tho. I have a few new questions now tho. My brother is all gun ho about some crap called a gforce chip. I think it's a scam honestly but does anyone have experience with them? Also if he gets this gforce chip I can probably snag his jet chip for free. Can the moates software tune that chip?

Paul · May 16, 2011

Adder is right. The timing tables in the T4M0 suck. The only inexpensive way to get rid of the ping is to reduce initial timing A LOT, which will suck power, and get some different plugs. Otherwise, you're in for a ~$500 tune or similar alternative.

Paul.

Insayne · May 16, 2011

How much a difference do 24 plugs make? Any negative effects? I don't have the 500 to spare so no spirited driving for me.

Paul · May 16, 2011

Like I said, the only way I could eliminate most of the detonation in two of my cars was to use a one step colder plug and back initial timing down to 4-6 degrees. However, I can't reasonably estimate how much of the improvement is attributable to a colder plug vs reducing initial (and in turn, overall) timing.

Paul.

Insayne · May 16, 2011

Yeah it'd be hard to say what the plugs do. I'll experiment with the 24's and see what I get as it's time for plugs.

Matt94GT · May 17, 2011

Ill let u know how this chip helps me, the guy that did it for me might be able to hook you up it was only about $90 or so.

Addermk2 · May 17, 2011

If I was back home, I'd be more than wiling to send chips out with better timing tables in them. However, its difficult for me to do such things out here. I dont have my netbook, or my burning equipment...

I'll be home in 3ish months though!

Insayne · May 17, 2011

Awesome guys! Keep me posted. Adder in 3ish months we may be trying to figure out a chip for me!

modo · May 18, 2011

does the motor still have the egr hooked up? is the coolant temp sensor reading correctly based on the scanner?

sh1ts and giggles set the base timing to 30 or whatever you think your total timing advance is then leave the spout OUT. go see if it is still pinging.

Paul · May 18, 2011

Good point about the EGR. That totally slipped my mind. Modo is smart. :tongue3:

EGR cools the combustion chamber and helps reduce detonation.

modo · May 18, 2011

Paul said:
Good point about the EGR. That totally slipped my mind. Modo is smart. :tongue3:

EGR cools the combustion chamber and helps reduce detonation.

i have my moments

Dr.Scientist · May 18, 2011

Might just try swapping a junkyard ecm out with yours. If that car didn't have the trouble, then yours won't either. You can always just take it to the ford house and pay their $75 diagnostic fee. If they get it wrong (which I doubt they will) then they won't be able to charge you for that particular repair cause they have to warranty all their work. And they have to call you and tell you what it is before they fix it. When I have a problem like this, that is what I do. I drop it off at the ford house, and wait for them to tell me what it is. Then I go pick up the car and make the repair myself. $75 is worth it to me to cut out all the hair pulling and time wasting and overspending on parts that you don't need.

Addermk2 · May 18, 2011

Dr.Scientist said:
Might just try swapping a junkyard ecm out with yours. If that car didn't have the trouble, then yours won't either. You can always just take it to the ford house and pay their $75 diagnostic fee. If they get it wrong (which I doubt they will) then they won't be able to charge you for that particular repair cause they have to warranty all their work. And they have to call you and tell you what it is before they fix it. When I have a problem like this, that is what I do. I drop it off at the ford house, and wait for them to tell me what it is. Then I go pick up the car and make the repair myself. $75 is worth it to me to cut out all the hair pulling and time wasting and overspending on parts that you don't need.

Except in this case, where we have told him exactly what his problem is.

Insayne · May 18, 2011

egr is hooked up and the temp on the scanner was good. I put in some 24's today. before that i checked timing on the light. bout 10.5 base and then 20-25 with the spout in at idle then 30 at 2500. seems about right. when i pulled the plugs they were pretty beat and one was cracked the whole length of the porcelain. took her out and drove her as hard as i could. no pinging to the top of 3rd. Didnt have room for 4th. i get a ton of pipe burn off is this normal? i can notice it between banging gears and normal driving.