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Ive always wondered, with heads such as "the fast as cast" (2.02 valve) would I have to buy new pistons that are cut for trick flow heads? Or is that just on the twisted wedge? Or am I just dumb? lol
 

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I believe the as cast heads are just like wedges design wise.

If they are, the valve angle in the cc is "twisted" so they can work with stock pistons.
 

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the fast as cast are still a twisted wedge design

you also have to remember that since the valve is canted if down the road you build a stroker and you have a decent cam shaft you will need to buy twisted wedge specific pistons since the valve reliefs are in a different location
 
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I see... I think i will stick with AFRs, sounds like less of a headache if later on I decide to get crazy with the motor.
 

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AFR's are a good set of heads BUT there are better heads out there for the money. Keep in mind AFR's have the stock valve angle and design. My advise would be to do more research.
 

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Oh god!!

A lot of people can give advise, but you can only listen to a few.

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Paul said:
Like what for example?

Canfields and tfs tw. Why? Because of the valve placement and better valve angle....they are a better designed platform to make power and give you more room to grow over the stock valve design of the afr's.
 

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SVTurbo 98 said:
Paul said:
Like what for example?

Canfields and tfs tw. Why? Because of the valve placement and better valve angle....they are a better designed platform to make power and give you more room to grow over the stock valve design of the afr's.

canfields off the shelf heads are the standard 20 degree valve angle, they do have a race head that is available in 18... that head serves no purpose on a stock shortblock 302.

tfs tw heads while they do have a 15 degree valve angle they do not make more power then a smaller standard valve angle afr 165 head.

for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on
 

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modo said:
SVTurbo 98 said:
Paul said:
Like what for example?

Canfields and tfs tw. Why? Because of the valve placement and better valve angle....they are a better designed platform to make power and give you more room to grow over the stock valve design of the afr's.

canfields off the shelf heads are the standard 20 degree valve angle, they do have a race head that is available in 18... that head serves no purpose on a stock shortblock 302.

tfs tw heads while they do have a 15 degree valve angle they do not make more power then a smaller standard valve angle afr 165 head.

for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on

Don't focus on the "cc" spec of the heads....there's more to it. tw 170 and afr 185's have a similar average cross sectional area size.

I'm not a "afr hater" as i bought a set for my old foxbody. They are decent heads but not end all heads like some people think. Those heads don't exist
 

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modo said:
for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on

whats the last word on the 190's,someone told me that will be out till next year.
 

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SVTurbo 98 said:
modo said:
SVTurbo 98 said:
Paul said:
Like what for example?

Canfields and tfs tw. Why? Because of the valve placement and better valve angle....they are a better designed platform to make power and give you more room to grow over the stock valve design of the afr's.

canfields off the shelf heads are the standard 20 degree valve angle, they do have a race head that is available in 18... that head serves no purpose on a stock shortblock 302.

tfs tw heads while they do have a 15 degree valve angle they do not make more power then a smaller standard valve angle afr 165 head.

for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on

Don't focus on the "cc" spec of the heads....there's more to it. tw 170 and afr 185's have a similar average cross sectional area size.

I'm not a "afr hater" as i bought a set for my old foxbody. They are decent heads but not end all heads like some people think. Those heads don't exist

check out post 18 :)

guy asked about edelbrock and afr, dude didn't say he wanted a aggressive valve angle, raised exhaust port race head. too often people take poor advice and have a ton o money invested into parts that don't work together
 

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Javi said:
modo said:
for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on

whats the last word on the 190's,someone told me that will be out till next year.

last i heard they are in development with no eta yet
 

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modo said:
Javi said:
modo said:
for the afr haters in here they have been developing a canted valve 190 cc head which the last time i saw numbers on it had a 12 degree intake valve and flowed more then the current 205s...

carry on

whats the last word on the 190's,someone told me that will be out till next year.

last i heard they are in development with no eta yet

cant wait to get my hands on those puppies.
 

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SVTurbo 98 said:
They are decent heads but not end all heads like some people think. Those heads don't exist

Sure they do - I have them. They're called Brodix M2 Track 1 CNC. :grin: (not that I'm biased or anything :tongue3: )
 

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BlkoutGT said:
Hey guys I would like some opinions and what kind of heads to get. My original plan was to get a set of AFR 205s, ed curtis cam and probably a trickflow intake. But in the process of saving for the new heads Im not sure if I want to drop almost 2k on just the heads alone. So I was wondering how comparable are, say a set of Vic juniors to AFR? the Eddys are a bit cheaper, so that is a plus, but are the AFRs just that much better? and would the Jrs give me room to grow, for possibly a Turbo, and/or 351 sometime in the future. Any advise is welcome. Thanks.

To the OP,

205's are NOT too big for a 302 BUT you have to be very careful choosing a cam at that point. Alot of people think that because you have big heads you need a big cam....that is not true but actually opposite. Guys have been running large heads and small cams for a good while now with great success. (just look at the factory lsx motors) And the same goes for small heads and large cams. The advantage of large heads and a small cam is you can grow into it much better, it will idle better, be more street friendly and it WILL be faster. Most people that tell you large heads will kill your "low end" either have never done it or had poorly matched parts. It's just very important to have the right valve timing when you go with big heads. If you're getting a custom cam I say go for it.
 
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Ya, Im not worried about having a big lope, I have slp mufflers so I hear the stock cam lope.lol. I would love to get the 205s but the extra 400 and change could go twards the intake and stuff. So I hope I wont be dissapointed with the 185s instead.
 

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