Hey guys I would like some opinions and what kind of heads to get. My original plan was to get a set of AFR 205s, ed curtis cam and probably a trickflow intake. But in the process of saving for the new heads Im not sure if I want to drop almost 2k on just the heads alone. So I was wondering how comparable are, say a set of Vic juniors to AFR? the Eddys are a bit cheaper, so that is a plus, but are the AFRs just that much better? and would the Jrs give me room to grow, for possibly a Turbo, and/or 351 sometime in the future. Any advise is welcome. Thanks.
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I'm not sure but if you don't have too overly much done I think the 205's may be a little large. maybe 185's or 165's? I really don't know though. I have heard ALOT of good things about afr though! and edlebrock has a very respectable reputation so either way you can't go wrong. I'm sure paul will be able to give you some really good insight on this.
Ya, the 205s would definilty be way overkill on a 302, but I just didnt want to be limited buy the heads, when I decide to up the displacment. But my car has been broke for a long while now, and Im getting kinda impatient lol. Plus I figured between a ed curtis cam and my local tuner being excellent I thought it wouldnt pose to big of a problem. Ive heard great things about both too, thats why its hard to choose :violent1:
Lol I hear ya with the inpatient thing lol. That's how I got with my first car. Normally on a dd it's best to get what you actually need instead of an all out race part :dontknow: A really good tune will help alot though!! Hopefully someone with a little more experience will come in on this lol
2slo95fiveoh
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AFR 205s would be very large for a NA 302... The 165cc heads are a good match for a mild 302 setup, the 185s
for a more radical 302/ 302 based stroker... AFR heads are one of the best for our cars, and you are on the right
track with the other components (Custom cam, TrickFlow intake). You would still have room to grow with that
setup, even if you stayed NA 302 for now, 185cc, Custom Cam, and Edelbrock Performer/Trick Flow would be a
very good, fun street setup. Say hello to 300+ RWHP.
for a more radical 302/ 302 based stroker... AFR heads are one of the best for our cars, and you are on the right
track with the other components (Custom cam, TrickFlow intake). You would still have room to grow with that
setup, even if you stayed NA 302 for now, 185cc, Custom Cam, and Edelbrock Performer/Trick Flow would be a
very good, fun street setup. Say hello to 300+ RWHP.
Thanks guys, I think Im trying to "have my cake and eat it too" so maybe I will lower my plans to 185s instead, im sure it will still make good power later on. So would you guys take the 185s over the JRs? I think they are comparable in price too :icon_blackeye:
Definitely take the 185's over the jr's. Prepped 185's are "smallish" for a bigger cube motor but the bottom line is you own GOAL.
I know of a 408 with 185's and a small cam that belts out 435 rwhp/440 tq on the dyno. Yes they're small, but it's no snail either.
One other thing to look into would be the TFS "Fast as cast" heads. They would be happy on a stout 302, and later you could "work" them to easily support a big cube motor.
I'm a huge AFR fan (as well as a Ed C. fan)...but the TFS TW heads are a FANTASTIC "Grow with you" cylinder head.
Tim Flanders has gone 10.13 with a EFI 408 that wears mildly ported TW heads.
I know of a 408 with 185's and a small cam that belts out 435 rwhp/440 tq on the dyno. Yes they're small, but it's no snail either.
One other thing to look into would be the TFS "Fast as cast" heads. They would be happy on a stout 302, and later you could "work" them to easily support a big cube motor.
I'm a huge AFR fan (as well as a Ed C. fan)...but the TFS TW heads are a FANTASTIC "Grow with you" cylinder head.
Tim Flanders has gone 10.13 with a EFI 408 that wears mildly ported TW heads.
OnyxCobra
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Just keep in mind you may have to notch your pistons to run the 185s, maybe not if you're getting a custom grind though but usually you have to.
I planed on getting the pistons notched, I happen to have two sets of fox pistons laying around. But the 185s should be good with a good (probably trickflow or equivilent) intake, and a custom cam for a DD or atleast summer DD right? Im looking to get a turbo kit in the future some time, but who know, its taking forever to just get the H/C/I together. Am I reaching with that setup or should i be good?
modo
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h/c/i are all different when you start going with more cubes and a stroker motor. if the bottom end has good ring seal just build a solid 302. there is no need to get crazy big parts when you can make killer power with a 302/306.
a very good friend of mine just finished putting together a 306 with my old afr 165s, a hydraulic roller from a dude on the corral and a holley systemax with a t-trim. put down 600 on pump gas through a turbo 400 with a non-lockup converter. thats a SOLID 9 sec car right there.
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a very good friend of mine just finished putting together a 306 with my old afr 165s, a hydraulic roller from a dude on the corral and a holley systemax with a t-trim. put down 600 on pump gas through a turbo 400 with a non-lockup converter. thats a SOLID 9 sec car right there.
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Modo that does sound pretty stout. I firgured that this h/c/i should make me happy, and who knows if I will end up steping up the cubes or not. I wont worry about that until I have to in the future, so this combo should make me happy for the time being.
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Neither, you need to buy a set of Trick Flow Fast As Cast heads or a set of High Ports. You will not regret either. AFR heads are not all that great like advertised.
modo
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1BadSnakeBite said:
i'd like to know why the afr heads are not as great as advertised... can you enlighten me please?
I'd like to hear that information as well.
If you're going to make a certain claim that is counter to the generally accepted norm (most folks believe AFR to be a very good set of heas) then it is wise to add some detail why you believe that.
If you're going to make a certain claim that is counter to the generally accepted norm (most folks believe AFR to be a very good set of heas) then it is wise to add some detail why you believe that.
modo
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Paul said:
something like combustion chamber design, quench, cross section just to name a few
people get all hot and bothered by flow numbers that are put on paper... they don't mean everything and trickflow has been known to use a non standard pipe size on some heads to inflate numbers
OnyxCobra
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the only sub-par thing I've ever heard about AFR is their valve train parts quality, which I believe has been upgraded. Regardless I do not believe most people have problems with them.
