Timing Problems, somethings not right

xavier · Dec 23, 2011

Hey fellows I just wanted to write back and update, I picked up a friend today thats pretty good with cars, was bringing to the house for him to check my timing problem I was having. When we pulled off from the first stop light the first thing he said is HB going out. He said that the engine has a vibration that increases with speed, that coupled with timing problems. Picked up the balancer and the puller helped him put it on because I wanted to learn to do it myself. I was thinking it was going to be harder than what it was. Found TDC yet again. Stuck the light on it and its right where it should be. There was rubber coming out the HB but just really in one area. But he said thats all it needs to throw the whole system out order. Put at 10 ran good so bumped to 12 ran better now im a leave it alone and move on to something else. Like my loud ass power steering pump, is this just mine or is common? Appreciate all of your help, Toyman you was write on target,

CC'S95GT · Dec 23, 2011

glad you got it running right finially. My ps pump isn't loud. Maybe the PO of yours ran it low and now it's FUBAR. Ck fluid first. then maybe change it. It will be easier to flush the old fluid out of the rack if the front tires are off the ground.

Slykin · Dec 23, 2011

I think ford PS pumps being loud is fairly common, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need fixed either. I think the only acceptable loud thing on our cars is the fuel pump.

ademily87 · Dec 23, 2011

Hopefully the balancer wasn't wobbling too long or something.

Insayne · Dec 24, 2011

Glad to hear you got it straightened out. At least you can fix your detonation. New balancer new dizzy and it detonates at 10* on 91

I can't figure it out. Unless of course it's in the head. In which case my gt40p's will solve that

xavier · Dec 26, 2011

Sorry to hear you going through it insayne, I know exactly the ghost your chasing. I think the pinging could be coming from several things. Im a tell you what I did only ran me about 150 bucks and it is a good tune up even if you dont need it. Number one thing is the ect sensor, sets right behind the dizzy. It is a sensor that the comp. uses to advance and retard timing depending on the temp of the coolant. Aint expensive, replace it. 2 is the act sensor on the tube from the air cleaner. again plays a part. next throw a new coil on it. Dont know if it helped with my pinging really but the car seems to run alot better. Do your plugs and wires just to rule them out and if you done them recently check and regap. Next and the biggest thing I can stress is Vacuum lines, even if the car is running descent. check em replace if you think it may need it. I was changing the pcv valve and felt behind the plentum to find it and the one that runs to the middle under the plenum fell off, Pulled it out and it was roasted. I thought the car was running good before I replaced this line. No, much better now. I opted for fuel line hose to replace just because its in a hot space and also used a clamp because if this line falls off you have to remove the upper intake to get to it. I balieve this line runs up under the pass. fender, I dont know exactly whats under there, I think a bypass valve, diverter and something for the egr. And that can cause pinging. Right me back and let me know more whats its doing and I think we can figure it out. Pinging is one area I done learned in. Thats what I want is some new heads but Im tring to save and find me some nice ones. I heard it fixes the pinging too. But they shouldnt ping anyways and I heard its bad for them. Find your ghost. Hes there

ttocs · Dec 26, 2011

my mustang has been in my family since it was new in 94. The only time the power steering made noise as 3 months before it went out completely.

modo · Dec 26, 2011

ttocs said:
my mustang has been in my family since it was new in 94. The only time the power steering made noise as 3 months before it went out completely.

exactly, it will only make noise if there is air in the system.

xavier · Jan 11, 2012

Still havent had prob. out of the timing, im thankful. But this dizzy adjusment with the spout in and the effect that it has still has me curious. The motor running perfect Im not going to mess with but I noticed that the line on the dizzy and the block arent near each other. I was looking on internet to see the effects and theres nothing. I know when the quy retarded all the way with spout in the motor shut down. If the comp. compensates completely how did that happen and what exactly happens. It just has me completely intrigued. The only answer I get off the net is The motor will run like shit, and I read through everything. If anyone knows anything on what occurs Im very curious.

CC'S95GT · Jan 11, 2012

With the spout OUT, the computer isn't allowed to make any adjustments to timing. That's why you can get a solid timing mark...With the spout IN, the computer sets the timing advance and injector pulse based on the sensor inputs and your right foot.The car will run fine with the spout out but only up to about 3000 RPM's, then it will fall on it's face.Running the car with the spout out was the only way I could get it to pass emissions. The test facility didn't take it over 3k so they didn't know.

xavier · Jan 12, 2012

I understand how adjusting with the spout out works. And how it gives you your base timing. What Im curious of is what is the computer doing when it is adjusted with the spout in. When the spout is in the computer compensates for the turning of the dizzy, correct. That doesnt have an effect on the comp.? Does it just reset and start over after the spout has been pulled and put back in? I have read in different forums that it matters how the base of the dizzy sits in the block, and mine is not the same as it was before the replacement. Lets say for instance if your car right now in the driveway is set at 12deg. you go outside and adjust dizzy with the spout in back and forth for the next week. If its advanced as far as your wires will let you it will cut off, when it does that what is the computer doing? If the spout is pulled everything goes back to normal when 12d is found again? Sorry for dumb questions, Its just has me curious, or maybe Im thinking bout it wrong.

toyman · Jan 12, 2012

When you move the distributor with the spout connected you are seeing the timing as the computer believes it to be above the base setting. If you moved the distributor to read 12* you would be severely retarding the base setting if the spout is connected. So timing from the computer timing map is always the base plus the timing map value. Those values are not changed unless the computer map is altered with a tuning device ( chip, piggyback system or a different stand-a-lone ECU).

xavier · Jan 12, 2012

Appreciate it Toyman, thats what I was wondering. If it was always the base time + map values. I was thinking that the computer didnt know where the distributor was if it was altered in this manner. Im going to tell you it was a PITA dealing with this ignition ordeal but I know that I learned a whole lot from it. Just reading up on the computers in our cars baffles me, appreciate your time.

Wayne · Jan 15, 2012

i think you all missed it he was a chevy man # 1 cylinder is on the passager side not the drivers side on the ford lol just kidding i use to be a chevy man myself