400 rwhp limit my ass!

[justinschmidt1]

I dunno, i was gonna trailer my car 3 hours to them but now i have one of the best SCT tuners in my area so i'm lucky.

My tuner is awesome too...but he is conservative so I doubt he would let me roll out of there putting down 450 rwhp....lol

 

[MustangChris]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

thats why i was so impressed. lol.

 

[NERD]

I dunno, i was gonna trailer my car 3 hours to them but now i have one of the best SCT tuners in my area so i'm lucky.

My tuner is awesome too...but he is conservative so I doubt he would let me roll out of there putting down 450 rwhp....lol

whats your setup?

 

[justinschmidt1]

I dunno, i was gonna trailer my car 3 hours to them but now i have one of the best SCT tuners in my area so i'm lucky.

My tuner is awesome too...but he is conservative so I doubt he would let me roll out of there putting down 450 rwhp....lol

whats your setup?

its gonna be a 03 alum explorer pi motor, 75mm tb, plenum, long tubes, o/r h pipe, procharger, intercooled, probably around 10 psi

 

[simplyme0484]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

 

[98_MustangGT]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

 

[simplyme0484]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

 

[justinschmidt1]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

Post that shit..Im very interested too....cause 400@ the crank would end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 RWHP.

That would mean you have like a stroker with stg 3 heads and st 3 cams and like 13.1 compression.

 

[Hellion94]

Justin, you gotta give the engines a little credit. They aren't that bad. They are much more efficient than a 5.0L.

There are guys with stock PI engines with cams and bolt ons that make 300+ to the tire. With ported heads, bigger cams, and a good intake I don't think 320-340 would be very difficult, and it would certainly be streetable. With the new Trick Flow heads, an Edelbrock or Trick Flow intake, and a gnarly set of cams, I would think that 400+ rear wheel N/A is a very real possibility at 281 cu. in. Add a big bore or something into the mix and It's very possible for 425 or more.

Look at the factory stock guys in the NMRA like Matt Amrine. They weigh in right at or just below 3,000 pounds and go 11.40's. That comes out to about 350 hp with mostly stock parts and a good amount of compression.

 

[simplyme0484]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

Post that ****..Im very interested too....cause 400@ the crank would end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 RWHP.

That would mean you have like a stroker with stg 3 heads and st 3 cams and like 13.1 compression.

I'll post the complete list asap, but first I wanted to say:
1. I have an auto tranny, so I 've got around 20-23% loss in the drivetrain
2. HP numbers are gained by the right combo for ur car, and not high priced aftermarket parts like some people would like to think (don't want to offend no one)

With my combo, I'm hitting the 318-322rwhp mark. I can't remember exactly because I lost the dyno sheet, but I'll be hitting the dyno again pretty soon. If you add the 20-23% loss, I'm over the 400hp at the crank. And this is with a stock block, nothing forged or stroked. So I will be looking at 350rwhp+ when I stroke it.

Here are the mayor mods that stand out:
St.2 P&P Pi heads with a 15mm shaved from the bottom for higher compression
St.3 comp cams
P&P Typhoon IM
240 weight reduction
One hell of a tune (used predator)

 

[justinschmidt1]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

Post that ****..Im very interested too....cause 400@ the crank would end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 RWHP.

That would mean you have like a stroker with stg 3 heads and st 3 cams and like 13.1 compression.

I'll post the complete list asap, but first I wanted to say:
1. I have an auto tranny, so I 've got around 20-23% loss in the drivetrain
2. HP numbers are gained by the right combo for ur car, and not high priced aftermarket parts like some people would like to think (don't want to offend no one)

With my combo, I'm hitting the 318-322rwhp mark. I can't remember exactly because I lost the dyno sheet, but I'll be hitting the dyno again pretty soon. If you add the 20-23% loss, I'm over the 400hp at the crank. And this is with a stock block, nothing forged or stroked. So I will be looking at 350rwhp+ when I stroke it.

Here are the mayor mods that stand out:
St.2 P&P Pi heads with a 15mm shaved from the bottom for higher compression
St.3 comp cams
P&P Typhoon IM
240 weight reduction
One hell of a tune (used predator)

I didnt say it was impossible.....more that it required far too much money and work compared to any other option really.


Do you have any 1/4 mile times?

dyno numbers really dont mean shit in the real world....

I could put down 330 rwhp with a stock 14 second Pi car if the dyno was setup for it

 

[simplyme0484]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

Post that ****..Im very interested too....cause 400@ the crank would end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 RWHP.

That would mean you have like a stroker with stg 3 heads and st 3 cams and like 13.1 compression.

I'll post the complete list asap, but first I wanted to say:
1. I have an auto tranny, so I 've got around 20-23% loss in the drivetrain
2. HP numbers are gained by the right combo for ur car, and not high priced aftermarket parts like some people would like to think (don't want to offend no one)

With my combo, I'm hitting the 318-322rwhp mark. I can't remember exactly because I lost the dyno sheet, but I'll be hitting the dyno again pretty soon. If you add the 20-23% loss, I'm over the 400hp at the crank. And this is with a stock block, nothing forged or stroked. So I will be looking at 350rwhp+ when I stroke it.

Here are the mayor mods that stand out:
St.2 P&P Pi heads with a 15mm shaved from the bottom for higher compression
St.3 comp cams
P&P Typhoon IM
240 weight reduction
One hell of a tune (used predator)

I didnt say it was impossible.....more that it required far too much money and work compared to any other option really.


Do you have any 1/4 mile times?

dyno numbers really dont mean **** in the real world....

I could put down 330 rwhp with a stock 14 second Pi car if the dyno was setup for it

Hey man your right on that, dyno num don't mean S**T, all that matters are 1/4 times.

My tunner and I decided to tune my car in the streets with all the elements in action :headbang:

At the moment I have been to the track yet, cause I still haven't have the time to do it, but I can give you a comparison:
My tuner has a 89 Gt with h/c/i, tune, bolt on's, full exhaust, ect. He makes 12.7-12.8 times at the track with slicks. I'm 4-0 vs him on the streets

He told me that I could be hitting 12.6 area with slicks and even 12.3 if I change to 4.10 and install my high stall converter. Lets see what happens :thumbsup:

PS: YES!!!! It's very expensive to get a 400hp at the crank N/A car. I could get 425rwhp with FI and less money, but I love an all gasoline motor. Especially when going against the turbo import guys :thefinger:

 

[justinschmidt1]

I know what you mean....

just seems a lot more cost effective to get a blower

 

[NERD]

I know what you mean....

just seems a lot more cost effective to get a blower

+1

it's cheap to make 400 than it is to make 300.

 

[justinschmidt1]

yea...I mean its cool to say your n/a

but at the end of the day, a blown 4.6 with the same/probably less money invested should eat you up pretty bad.

 

[blown98gt]

:.grabs a bag of pop corn.:

Go ahead and test the limits, see how long you last after you pass the 450 hp mark.. i'm not saying 450 is the limit of the stock block but the 450 hp number has been the max stable hp without causing a risk to damaging your internals. The pistons in the stock block are not great at all and yes your tune plays a huge role in how long your engine will last but even with one of the best tunes in the world, after passing the 450 hp mark it's just a matter of time.

 

[justinschmidt1]

ehh?


Who said I plan on making 450?



Im stopping @ 400 rwhp

 

[NERD]

oh, you had boost... i thought it was n/a...

Hell no...400 crank is like impossible out of an n/a 4.6

would have to have some crazy heads/cams/intake to reach that and wouldnt even be streetable

I have 400 at the crank with my DD 4.6 N/A :tongue3: I've got 70,000 miles on it right now and I street race almost every Thursday against evo's, camaro's and turbo imports. :headbang:

It's not impossible, its just expensive :sad5:
:icon_rr:

whats your setup? very interested to know how your making 400 hp N/A.

PM'ed you

Post that ****..Im very interested too....cause 400@ the crank would end up being somewhere in the neighborhood of 340 RWHP.

That would mean you have like a stroker with stg 3 heads and st 3 cams and like 13.1 compression.

I'll post the complete list asap, but first I wanted to say:
1. I have an auto tranny, so I 've got around 20-23% loss in the drivetrain
2. HP numbers are gained by the right combo for ur car, and not high priced aftermarket parts like some people would like to think (don't want to offend no one)

With my combo, I'm hitting the 318-322rwhp mark. I can't remember exactly because I lost the dyno sheet, but I'll be hitting the dyno again pretty soon. If you add the 20-23% loss, I'm over the 400hp at the crank. And this is with a stock block, nothing forged or stroked. So I will be looking at 350rwhp+ when I stroke it.

Here are the mayor mods that stand out:
St.2 P&P Pi heads with a 15mm shaved from the bottom for higher compression
St.3 comp cams
P&P Typhoon IM
240 weight reduction
One hell of a tune (used predator)

I call Shenanigans, I want to see your Dyno sheet. An auto has at most 20% DTL. Predator hand helds suck and there's no way you tuned an N/A car that well with one. 340rwhp would be the best heads on the market, great long tubes, (Not Comp stage anything cams) there profiles are generic and add more sound than anything past the 272's unless you can rev that bitch to 7k. And with that large of a Cam and an auto you'd need a Stall or you wouldn't be able to drive it without getting pissed off at it every time you stopped. Plus every other bolt on you can buy.

Stroking only really adds Tq to our cars it already has a long stroke.

 

[blown98gt]

he didn't say cam springs? didn't know you could run stg. 3 cams with no springs...

 

[DropTopPony]

he didn't say cam springs? didn't know you could run stg. 3 cams with no springs...

I don't think he listed every single thing he has, who has time for that?