voidfinger
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well i'm out, this thead should be locked before we have more people with new ideas that other people don't agree with.
J.R. said:justinschmidt1 said:turbos are more efficient than a supercharger
the amount of power it takes to spin the supercharger increases with more boost...but its about 50hp at 9 psi and 75 at 12 psi.
turbos are all around better ..if its setup to make 8 psi it will be a 8 psi at like 3-3500 all the way to redline.
blowers will gradually increase.
350 hp vortech car vs 350 hp turbo car and the turbo car would walk the vortech car all day.
That makes no sense, and it's untrue. A 350 hp turbo car will make that number with less boost, but having a turbo doesn't magically make the car faster with the same number's.
J.R. said:Be skeptically is all I'm saying, think critically, do your own INDEPENDENT research and make a decision. Calling the company is not independent, of course they'll say it's great. Call me and ask about a trans, you think I'm gonna tell you it's junk and I use inferior part's? no, I'll tell you I give you a lifetime warranty and it's awesome.
I applaud them for giving Justin free labor, it's how you get yourself out there and get yourself known. Know what you are getting though. Mild steel piping, an off-brand headunit, etc... Don't just look at the price and decide it must be awesome because it's cheap
Maybe they will be awesome, maybe they will still be around in a few year's, making people happy and making big power. Probably not judging from every turbo company before them though.
Hell, look in the Rotrex threads, you'll see I asked Tad some very pointed questions about the head unit in his kit. He answered them, gave me the info I needed, and I looked independently for what I could find too. he didn't get defensive or butt hurt, just answered.
4k may be cheap for a turbo kit, but it's the price of a built motor, another car, or 3 months house payment for most people.
As for locking the thread, i haven't personally attacked anyone here, simple brought up counterpoint's for all the cheerleader's to consider.
Well Im not going to get in a pissing match with you over borg warner turbos, or any other turbo company for that matter. I don't really have a preference. So there is my unbiased opinion. Seems like your talking a lot about their turbos and really have no first hand knowledge with them. They have been used on diesel trucks for a very long time. They have been in the import world for some time now making big numbers. Also visit a few of the other mustang sites and see the different people changing over to them. corral,theturboforums, etc... If you truly had a clue what you were talking about then you would know these things. Like I said I don't have a preference as far as brands go I just call them like I see them. Unless we are talking about the ss auto chrome kits.(ha ha) Can't remember the name of the crappy turbos they use. I too have seen many come and go. They all had the same things in common. They sold stuff they didn't have, and couldn't keep up with the demand. I have been into the mustang/turbo scene for well over 15 years now. Heck my brother was one of those people who spent months, and months trying to get the rest of his parts from one. So I know what your talking about.J.R. said:aaron427 said:Ha ha borg warner turbo a no name?? What rock have you been hiding under? thats why a bunch of guys are selling off their turbonetics for a borg warner, and making more power. Anyways I have seen this car in person, and went for a ride in it. Very nice kit, and pulls pretty dang nice for a stocker car. They are actually selling kits they have sitting on the shelf not ones that they will build when they get your money. For what your getting well worth the money! Im going to have them build me one for my 95 blower car. :banana:
Nope, Borg warner isn't a no name, it's a junk name. I bet they lost they OE transmission business to and AFTERMARKET company because they put out such quality pieces, like the T5 and T45. Their name is mud basically, and no OE would touch them. Is it a Garrett unit? no, A Precision unit? Nope, Borg Warner, what a confidence inspiring name that is.
However, since you so obviously have no affiliation with the company whatsoever, and nothing to gain by promoting it, I'm sure you are completely unbiased.
Turbonetics ain't exactly at the top of my quality list either, but I haven't seen ANYONE sell off their Turbonetics unit to get one of these POS head unit's that doesn't even belong on a tractor. If anyone is, and making more power, it's because they went up in size, and down in price.
As for them installing it for you, that's a good deal, let them do it. That way you don't have to worry about any fitment issues it may or may not have. If I was you guy's though (the few who will actually pony up, sack up and do it), I would let someone else be the guinea pig. When some random dude in BFE Minnesota get's one, installs it in his garage, with no modifications, and runs it for about 5k without the couplers blowing off, or the headunit taking a poo, then go for it.
Like I said, about four times now, every year some budget turbo company pops up, get's a bunch of press and hype, and then dissappears just as rapidly. how many of you have even heard of the companies I named? they were big names in their day, until the stories started popping up, and the waiting list got longer and longer, until they closed their doors.
If you want a budget turbo kit, build it yourself.
No not really. I just found the site, and was reading thru the different threads. I didn't say anything about the kit just about the turbo. Go back and read. Then I said that I had seen the car. I know the guys at one of our local speed shops, and that is how I found them.jfor441 said:Just seems REAL suspicious that your first post on the forum is in response casting doubt on the kit manufacturer wouldn't you say?
justinschmidt1 said:yea, im sure than the spyder turbo systems team searches for online forums mentioning thier kit to change peoples opinions.
Borg warner is a quality turno and this spyder kit looks legit...they even offered to install the thing for me.
if I had the money I would do it.
voidfinger said:yea i just got the email back... :rollinglaugh: 6k for the complete kit... hard to think that pumps, injects, and small shit could= up to 2grand... o well.
I'm just gonna see what he wants for the tubing.
J.R. said:Actually those prices add up and are fair.
Can people substitute the head unit if they wish?
Is the cold side plumbing beaded on the ends?
Do you offer the hot side alone?
Do you offer the hot side in stainless?
Do you offer a canned tune with the full kit?
Was your shop car completely stock? we would all love more details on the NPI stang. And BTW, welcome and thanks for dropping in! :welcome:
spyderturbo said:voidfinger said:yea i just got the email back... :rollinglaugh: 6k for the complete kit... hard to think that pumps, injects, and small shit could= up to 2grand... o well.
I'm just gonna see what he wants for the tubing.
This is just to straighten out any miss information.
Ill add it for you!
Base kit= 3995.
K-member= 380.
Locking haeder bolts= 40.
Drop rack mounts= 22.
A/C line= 100.
42 lb inj= 300.
Fuel pump= 100.
Jet hot coating 750.
Mass air meter= 250.
Total= 5937.00
does that help?